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tisk tisk
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1/11/2008
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 Subject: RE: Amsoil Extended Drain
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stan you need to learn to tell the truth little fella
after reading the below information
3 people have turned away from scamsoil in the past 2 weeks!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual
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read your owners manual
your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?
and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?
Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!
why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!
i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap
like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!
they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!
more proof needed? just ask
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they have been misleading people for years!
From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:
"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter,
and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly
and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification.
You can check the status of API certification on the API web site.
Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and
non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1,
Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and
that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified
and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters. "
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do some reading people
open your owners manual
"we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner's manual."
http://performanceplusoil.com/myths.php
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Question:
Response to Amsoil Competitive Claims
What is your position/response to the 4 ball wear test Amsoil states on their website? Do you agree with the test results or are there other test results you could point me to. Thanks
-- Todd Blake, Andover, MN
Answer:
The 4-ball wear test is a test designed to evaluate the performance of a gear oil. The 4-ball wear test is not included as a part of any industry-wide recognized engine oil specifications (e.g. ILSAC GF-4, API SM, or ACEA specifications). ExxonMobil does not regard this test as a useful indicator of engine"
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Response_Amsoil_Claims.aspx
& Further
"He wants you to buy Amsoil and become an Amsoil dealer not because it's good for you or your car or your wallet but because it benefits his wallet. He's a salesman, and he's here because he doesn't want to pay for advertisements. Amsoil is a multi-level marketing scheme.
You know the difference between a dead possum on the highway and a dead Amsoil salesman on the highway?
There are swerve marks before the possum.
So let's use Amsoil synthetics as an example of how synthetics are mostly useless. This is an easy one. Amsoil says certain of their products are good for 25,000 miles or 1 year. That's for normal driving. For severe service it's 15,000 miles or 1 year. All of that depends on you using an Amsoil oil filter and changing it in 6 months or half the mileage interval. That oil costs $6.35 per quart, and the filters are $10-$12 each. A name-brand, high-quality conventional motor oil costs about $2.00 per quart, and you can get a high-quality oil filter for $5-$6. so Amsoil costs over 3x more than regular oil. OK, so let's say your car takes 4 quarts of oil, your driving doesn't fall into the severe service category, and you drive 12,500 miles per year.
Here's the scenario: You have a recent model GM car with the Oil Life Monitor system that calculates the remaining lifetime of your motor oil based on mileage, temperatures, engine RPMs, and other factors. You changed your oil with Havoline 10W-30 and a $5.00 AC-Delco oil filter one year ago and drove 11,000 miles, and the Oil Change light just illuminated on your dashboard. You do a used oil analysis on that used conventional oil at a cost of $20 and it shows that the oil was protecting your engine just fine when you drained it. So your oil change cost you a total of $13 and with the analysis $33.
If you had used Amsoil, you would have paid $25.40 for the 4 quarts of oil, plus another $20-$24 for two Amsoil filters, so without even doing the analysis, you have already paid $47 for an oil change instead of $13. You have the analysis done on the Amsoil oil and you find that it also was protecting your engine just fine. What have you gained by using Amsoil? Was it worth the 362% higher cost of Amsoil?
The days of 3000 mile oil changes are gone, but that's what Amsoil still quotes in their numbers, and the latest Oil Life Monitor system from GM will extend your oil change interval to 12,500 miles if you drive the car normally and not in severe service. GM wouldn't tell you to go 12,500 miles before getting an oil change if it was going to damage your engine because it would give them an even worse reputation for quality compared to the Japanese automakers. New engines and new engine oils are far, far better than they were even a few years ago, and as time goes on, Amsoil and synthetic oils in general become less and less relevant. They'll quote you all kinds of 4-ball wear tests and tons and tons of totally irrelevant facts and statistics. All you need to remember is this: When was the last time you heard of somebody who changed their oil regularly with ANY kind of oil having their engine die an early death because of lubrication problems? That's all that matters really, but Amsoil would like you to believe your car won't last as long with regular oil. Think for yourself about it. Have you ever heard of such a problem? By the time a car gets that many miles on it, so many other things would have broken and been replaced that the engine would be cheap by comparison.
Do yourself a favor and avoid Amsoil and other synthetic oils. Put the money you save in your vacation or retirement account, donate it to a worthy charity, or take your special someone out for dinner. Don't give it to an oil salesman for a mostly useless product."
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