ROYAL PURPLE VS. AMSOIL AMZOIL AMS OIL

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really?
Gee but yet Royal Purple, Mobil 1
etc, etc are API certified
amsoil still isn't

gee wonder why ?????

Dodge Dude
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11/25/2007
20:07:58

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Well I have a really good one for all the people against AMSOIL.
Why is royal Purple NOT classified for SM rather the earlier SL and
really NOT warranty approved, which is the requirement for all
new vehicles from 2005 on (I think, not 100% sure) But AMSOIL is
SM approved. And what happens to "Moly" lube in high
temperatures? It solidifies....Hmmm makes ya wonder!

amsman
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11/25/2007
22:19:53

SUPER TECH OIL
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walmart super tech synthetic oil is certified for SM/SF and the older SL SJ SH good stuff

amsoil is pyramid sales for losers

Dodge Dude
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11/26/2007
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A very good point and one that I wish people would do more
research on before saying anything.

There are different classes of oils. And I can 100% assure
anybody that the "synthetic oil" you get from Wal-mart is NOT
a 100% synthetic. It is based on a Group 2 or at best a Group 3
base stock which is "dino" oil. Just two different processing
methods. A group three is 99.97% pure, but is still oil derived
from crude.
On the other hand Mobil 1, and Amsoil are both made from
Group 4 base stock or Polyalphaolefin (PAO) which is a 100%
synthetic base stock. Royal Purple uses "Synerlec" as their base
stock, which a proprietary (or secret) base stock. With Molybdenum, which Cummins expressly bans in their motors,
because it solidifies at high tempuratures.

So for the people who refuse to do any kind of research on oil,
and want to make unfounded accusations against one of the
fastest growing oil manufacturers. Or attaking them for their
obviously successful marketing strategies, Do some research
and find out for yourself! Independent labs have done a
dizzying amount of testing on Amsoil compared to the
competition and in the end it always scores higher than the
rest!

All this being said, Amsoil is NOT for everyone, not by any
means. But neither is Mobil 1, nor Royal Purple, nor Castrol,
it's like brands of vehicles. Unfortunately not everyone feels
the same about Dodges as most of the people posting here,(I
love Dodge) that is what competition is all about. And so long
as there is competition there will always be opinions, just be
sure that your opinion is based on facts, and not just immature
name calling, and unfounded attacks!

fact check
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11/26/2007
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Most if not all Mobil One is now made with group 3 bases.

fact check 2
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11/26/2007
18:50:14

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- Royal Purple NOT API Certified

DIRECT FROM THE ROYAL PURPLE WEBSITE

Royal Purple’s racing oils do not conform to API and / or ILSAC licensing requirements!

Royal Purple’s motor oils are formulated to provide unparalleled performance and protection and comply with API / ILSAC specifications.

SEE THE WORD COMPLY!!! Not API !!!!!

AND RP requires continued oil filter changes every 3,000 to 4,000 miles (top-off oil as needed).

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME ?!?!?!?!?!?!

SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A SUSPICIOUS WEAK OIL !!!!!

Dak Guy
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11/26/2007
21:14:35

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before one posts a lie he should be more careful

and please NOTE that using a non API certified oil
WILL VOID a warranty !!!!!!! Such as AMSOIL !

this stan fella is a complete liar and a total moron

"Royal Purple’s motor oils are API certified and will not void new vehicle warranties. "

http://www.royalpurple.com/motor-oil.html

Dodge Dude
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11/27/2007
10:36:10

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Ok perhaps "fact check" is correct. But on the other hand when I called Mobil 1 they
told me that their 0W-20 (now discontinued) 5W-20, 5W-30, and their extended
performance line was all made from Group 4. Perhaps they were not telling me the
truth, but wouldn't that be false advertising and therefore illegal.

And one other note worth mentioning, ALL OIL has to meet the specific requirements
of auto manufacturers, the API certification means nothing. And NO OIL used will
void any warranty unless it doesn't meet the specific requirements of the vehicle
manufacturer. Furthermore, to void any given warranty the oil and failed part must
be analyzed, by two indepedent labs and hard evidence must be presented.
I am an Amsoil User, but that doesn't mean I go Amsoils' recommended length of
time on my engine/transmission/differential services. I usually do my own thing,
10,000kms on motor, changing my filter (WIX) @ 5,000kms, and the transmission is
usually the vehicle manufacturers recommendation, and differentials I will usually do
60-80,000kms depending on what I was pulling.
So due dilligence, yeah Amsoil says you can go "X miles" with their lubricant, and
really I tend to agree, but I would rather be sure and make sure my vehicles are
running with the best quality and a few contaminants as possible.

And "Fact check 2" I agree with your last statement. In the place i used to worked
we carried AMS, and RP. And when we drained the RP, some people go 10,000kms
regardless, it was burned. There was even smoke rolling off the oil that came out.
In hind site I should have had the oil analyzed, but from my experience smoke
coming off oil, and a strong pungent burnt smell, tell me the oil was done. When we
drained Amsoil, at 10,000kms, there was no smoke and NO odour of any kind. And
when the engine was refilled, and the engine was started, then shut down. The RP's
oil would be very very dark (sludge, varnish buildup) with a slight purple tinge.
Amsoil would come out clean and the customer could barely see it on the dipstick.
That tells me that the Royal Purple product will not keep your engine clean and their
additive technology needs alot of work. Again, this is without proper oil analysis
just my experience.

Red
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1/02/2008
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Good info Dodge Dude. I have been using redline for years. I know redline is not APi and I was always concerned. Now I feel better but might give amsoil a try after reading your post.

Stan
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1/02/2008
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amsoil best anal lube your $$$ can buy &

Live demonstrations might be cum'ing to your area soon!
So be sure to Cum and try it

yes amsoil is the best anal lube you will ever find!
Trust me I am at pro at taking it up the azz

me and steve recomend the 5/30 for better film strength
need instructions or photos just contact me or steve

it's NOT API approved
so it's not for use in engines under warranty

BUTT WAIT!- breaking news !!!

we got API approved !

you can contact the Anal Penetration Institute
and confirm it!

..................... Stan, the Anal Man

Dr Dakota
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1/02/2008
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Sorry guys but API does mean something.
Open your owners manual and find out.

But great info on the anal lube Stan!
Thank You!

Angel
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1/18/2008
17:49:37

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Check this out guys. I came across a website for Amsoil while searching for a better price on Royal Purple 10w30. I did follow all the links to the tests for Amsoil and I have to admit it sounds convincing. I also followed all the test for royal purple and it too sounds convincing. After reading the whole blog or forum what ever it is called. I saw the dispute about API (America’s Oil and Natural Gas Industry) certified and how the last blogger said that API does mean something and to read your owner’s manual. Screw that, I went straight to the API website and saw that while Amsoil has a lot of products like lubes and additives, only a few are licensed. While Royal Purple has pretty much all their oils licensed. If you scroll thru the list you will also notice that additives and lubricants are also licensed maybe not by Amsoil or Royal Purple but by some of the others. Also amsoil started licensing their products in 1997 and it expires 2008. Another thing I noticed was that some companies (brands) state that they are 100% synthetic. I did not see that with Amsoil or even Royal Purple. Royal Purple on the other hand started licensing their products in 1995 but it too expires in 2008.

List of products licensed for Amsoil AMSOIL INCPCO15W-40CI-4/SL**AMSOIL INCXL10W-30SM/CF*AMSOIL INCXL10W40SM/CFAMSOIL INCXL5W-20SM/CF*AMSOIL INCXL5W-30SM/CF*.

List of products licensed for Royal Purple ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE10W-30CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SLROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE10W-30SL*ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE10W-40CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SLROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE15W-40CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL**ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE15W-40CG-4,CH-4,CI-4,CJ-4/SM**ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE20W-50CF,CF-4/SJROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE30CF,CF-2/SJROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE40CF,CF-2/SJROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE50CF,CF-2/SJROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE5W-20SL*ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE5W-30SL*ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE5W-40SM/CFROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE DD40CF-2ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER10W-30CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SLROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER15W-40CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL**ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER40CF,CF-2ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER DD40CF-2ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS10W-30CI-4/SLROYAL PURPLE, LTD.ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS15W-40CI-4/SL.

This is the link for those who want to verify. http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayInfo.asp?Info=BrandNames.

I would like to see what answer both Royal Purple and Amsoil fans come up with.
Personally I’ve been using Royal Purple and have not had any problems with it. I by mistake not really more laziness I let my oil go for 10,000 miles and when I changed the oil it did not stink nor was it thick nor did smoke come out I am not sure why that would happen but glad it did not happen to me.
Thank You all.

fil
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1/23/2008
04:45:24

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I know of at least 15 motors that lost bearing after using Royal purple. One of them mine. That oil is trash. Just do a search and see what comes up. I have a friend with over 100 cases of the junk and I can't give that poopoo away. Royal purple was a sponcer.
Amsoils is run in alot of 500 + hp. VR4's and never had a problem. Good luck to anyone that trust Royal purple. I did.

Cory Eye_Trip
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1/23/2008
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I used to recommend RP over Amsoil.

NOT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RP is NOT for your DAKOTA or your daily driver

Quoted from Duluth Diesel in TundraSolutions Forum.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/839369-post13/

"Not all synthetic oils are the same. Mobile is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV. Even though the label might say Full Synthetic, it doesn't mean the same thing for all oils. As for extended drain intervals, it is fine to run extended drain intervals with a Group IV synthetic oil if you couple it with better filtration. Not all oil filters are created equal either. Fram and other cheap oil filters don't filter much below 35 micron and are just cellulose (paper based) filters. Higher quality oil filters have synthetic media, not paper, and filter much better. AMSOIL Eao oil filters filter down to 15 micron, and their bypass filtration systems filter down to 2 micron at 98% efficiency.

There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.

The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics. Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic.

In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.

Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.

Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.

One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.

These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.

Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.

Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.

Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks."

This is a GOOD quote:

AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO)
but also uses Group V Ester technology.

It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of
Group IV and Group V synthetics.

This quote sux (for royal purple):

Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter

and this one:

Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils

recap:

Royal Purple is Group V.
Group V oils (RP) perform very well in the shorter term.
They perform very well in race engines.
They perform very well in applications where
drain intervals are factory specifications or shorter.
Royal Purple tends to be better suited for high
RPM, hot running, air cooled engines.
RP oils don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils.

AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also
uses Group V Ester technology.
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of both Group IV
and Group V synthetics.

RP is not for your daily driver or Dakota.

USE AMSOIL INSTEAD OF ROYAL PURPLE!

DODGE DEALERSHIPS DO SO USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE

LQQKIE:

http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html

The Great Cory Eye_Trip

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