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QUADMAN
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3/20/2002
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Well put! Look at rally cars!
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Jon
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3/20/2002
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I only saw one rice car i ever liked. It was a riced out ford focus converted to rear wheel drive with a complete mustang drivetrain and a carbed 302 under the hood. Some company sells the conversion kit now. All you need is a brand new Focus and a spare Stang you want to destroy. Of course if you had that much cash you could buy a real sports car.
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Crusty
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3/20/2002
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IMHO I think that Phil G. Pasca needs to catch up on his reading, and go out to the races. I am willing to say that 4cyl cars will go faster than a lot of V8's, simply due to WEIGHT. Why is my Dak so slow with 235hp? It weighs about 4400lbs. Now take off 2000lbs and w look out.
The tolerances in Japanese motors are a lot closer which allows them to withstand much greater stress. Simply put, American motors are not as technologically advanced as their Japanese counterparts. Before I get flamed for that statement, show me a american car with VTEC or VVTi.
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sandman
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3/20/2002
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If you want to see some impressive numbers look at the Toyota Supra Turbo. The models with twin sequential turbo's are known for huge power numbers with that 3.0L I-6. You can run 600HP on a daily driver!!! Race prepped cars run as high a 950HP at the rear wheels. In addition to drag race events they also have HP dyno competition with the reward going to the car with the highest figures at the events portable Dyno. I love my Dodge but do not kid yourself!! Their are more domestic engines in the salvage yard then import engines!!!! If someone says they have 400,000 on a Toyota you say so and carry on! If someone says they have 300,000 on a dodge you say that is incredable!!! Luckily our government has bailed out the American car companies by not increaseing cafe standards and continueing to exclude trucks from the corporate fleet average. They will pay for it in the future though. When their car are not competitive in other country's because the engines use too much gas and belch too many smog gas's.
My dads Tacoma just hit 107,000 miles and the rotor, drums, shoes and pads all look like new. He had to clean some corrosion off the E-Brake apply lever so we checked the brakes while we had the drums off. So far the only things changed are cap, rotor, plugs, oil,filters and tires. Like to see someone double the HP of the new 4.7 V8 cheaply and still maintain driveability and durability. My 1986 4Runner just got new front rotors last year. It was about 3 dollars more per rotor to buy new ones instead of turning them. I had to replace the head gasket and normal items: plugs, wires, filters, battery,cap,rotor,one tps sensor,coolant temp sensor, fluids and tires. Not bad for 16 years of ownership! If my Dakota hold up this well I will be very happy.
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McClane
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3/21/2002
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I would like to add to Crusty's comment about Japanese motors produced to tight tolerances.
I spoke with a co-worker of mine who is currently rebuilding a late 70s Ford pickup, and he mentioned that even though he is a fan of North American vehicles, he was impressed at the way Japanese motors were produced. The machining of the parts were very precise, so precise in fact that parts do not need gaskets at all.
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Christine
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3/21/2002
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The Japs build better engines. Plain and simple.
People who know a hell of a lot more than than you and I consistently rate the overall quality of the imports higher than the domestics.
Any moron can get power out of a big motor, but it takes some talent to get power out of a small engine.
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Christine
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3/21/2002
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The Japs build better engines. Plain and simple.
People who know a hell of a lot more than than you and I consistently rate the overall quality of the imports higher than the domestics.
Any moron can get power out of a big motor, but it takes some talent to get power out of a small engine.
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Demon-Xanth
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3/21/2002
13:10:12
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Domestic cars manufacturers can make small powerful engines. But that costs money. Big+cheap is a popular option that also comes with a side of torque.
The Pantera and the Cobra were cars completely based on the idea of "take a good handling european body, shove a cheap american motor in it, and go fast". They were undoubtably successful on the track.
GM had the gloriously high tech LT5 motor generating 405HP when everyone else was still in the mid 200 and low 300 HP range. However that was expensive. Now they have the Z-06 with the same 405HP, but the difference is that it's cheap. It has no DOHC setup, it's easier to mass produce, it's based on the same engine that's used in many other places.
Take your pick of where you're gonna spend the money. On cams, turbos, and tight tolerances; or on a large block, more cylinders, and a beefier drivetrain. The same $ can produce the same performance.
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Todd W
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3/21/2002
14:56:49
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Christine,
"Any moron can get power out of a big motor, but it takes some talent to get power out of a small engine."
I prefer...
"Any moron can get power out of a big motor, but it takes a special kind of moron to get power out of a small engine."
:0)
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Muzzy
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3/22/2002
02:20:58
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When saying that Jap cars have tighter engine tolerances than domestic cars, please know what you are talking about before you open your hole.
My dad just retired from Chrysler with 34 years in working at the Trenton engine plant near Detroit. They produce the 4 and 6 cylinder engines for Chrysler vehicles. He spent the past 10 years programming line machines and monitoring the quality of the machining being done. Most processes are controlled to .0001 of an inch. That's 1 tenth of a thousandths of an inch. Having worked in a machine shop, I know what a tight tolerance is and being able to mass produce to a bearing clearance of .0015 is impressive.
As far as quality...I remember my dad coming home complaining about the problems they were having testing the Mitsubishi 3.0 V6's. They had poor head castings and would blow apart when revved past 7K RPMs. The Chrysler engineers worked with Mitsubishi at great lengths to improve the 3.0 engine quality before they started putting it in vehicles.
If any of you ricer defenders want truth about quality, just look up TSB's. There are just as many for jap cars as there are for domestic.
As far as quarter mile times...It all comes down to HP:Weight ratio. 400 HP in a 4000lb car is equal to 200HP in a 2000LB car.
-Muzzy
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Phil G. Pasca
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3/22/2002
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Thank you Muzzy that should do the trick. Jap car's SU$K!! America rules,plain and simple.
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Phil G. Pasca
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3/22/2002
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ie. 1970 327, TRW 10.5/1, crane fireball 3/4", roller rockers, sainless vlv's. and seats, 2.02" heads ported and polished, wieand tunnel ram with two carter all linkage carbs-no vacume secondaries, MSD pro-logic timing advance computer muncie 4 speed and 411 rear.in a s-10,
show me the ricer! this shouldn't even be an argument.
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Phil G. Pasca
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3/22/2002
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And yes I own a Dodge. "98" Dak. And guess what? it's the 2.5 L-4, I love it and would never try to make the L-4 go any faster, just better gas milage. cause all that bolt on crap for japs is a waist of time.
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xplikt
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3/22/2002
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Good luck working on many of those new japanese engines, I have a friend who couldn't even find his spark plugs on his 2001 WRX, damn is that thing CRAMMED in there.
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