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Joe X
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12/27/2004
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 Subject: RE: Mobil-1 0W-30 Synthetic Oil
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Rumor on this and other sites is that Castrol Syntech (any grade) is no longer a true synthetic.
Haven't taken the time to verify, though, just passing along the rumor.
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QuadRider
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12/27/2004
22:56:18
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The rumor is true !
Castrol has always been a hydrocracked group III synthetic
according to their literature.
Amsoil will cost you less to use than Castrol Syntec in the long
run due to the better fuel economy and extended drain intervals.
I use Amsoil in my trucks (gas and diesel), tractors, generators,
quads, etc.
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GraphiteDak
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12/27/2004
23:22:38
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Hows that AMSOIL working in the quad and what type are you using?
I'm going to order some soon. Steve gave me some ideas of what I should use.
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QuadRider
Dodge Dakota
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12/28/2004
01:14:33
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I use the AMF 10w-40 Motorcycle Engine Oil in my four stroke
quad.
Use the 20w-50 (AMV) if you need the extra heavy viscosity.
AMSOIL also makes the best two-cycle oil on the market too !
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jeremiah2360
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12/28/2004
01:19:33
| RE: Mobil-1 0W-30 Synthetic Oil
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Just be aware that Amsoil thickens up on long drain intervals;(scroll down to last paragraph)
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.htmlmore
I`ve addressed this issue before;
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6002-2.html
From personnel experience and research I would suggest you don`t go over 10k without oil analysis.
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jeremiah2360
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12/28/2004
01:22:04
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OOPS-lol- try this one, I messed up the original;
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html
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Bob Lincoln
Dodge Dakota
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12/28/2004
08:22:56
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Anyone remember using Arco Graphite oil back around 1980? Worked great, helped detect (and cause) leaks, but boosted gas mileage.
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QuadRider
Dodge Dakota
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12/28/2004
08:27:59
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I have been using Amsoil for over 10 years ( I switched from
Mobil1 ) and I have never had the problems as described in the
above link.
Looks like a very biased study to me, maybe a Mobil1
stockholder or something.
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MY H3RO
Dodge Dakota
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12/28/2004
09:26:51
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Bob
I used Arco back in the 80's and it was great stuff. I don't know why they don't sell it anymore. Maybe people didn't like the idea of putting black oil into their engines. I used it in my 77 Vette ( which I still have) and girlfriend's 76 Dart (360).
Ken
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Old Fart
Dodge Dakota
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12/28/2004
12:06:16
| RE: Mobil-1 0W-30 Synthetic Oil
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While Arco Graphite never clogged an oil filter 100%, it did
restrict oil filter flow and was not recommended by
manufacturers.
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12/28/2004
13:35:50
|  Mobil-1 0W-30 Synthetic Oil - Amsoil - Graphite
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Arco graphite was withdrawn from the market due to the graphite acting as a very fine abrasive.
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Engine Restore by Valvoline (red plastic bottle) also incorporates the use of graphite and should be avoided. Engine Restore, as I understand it, is a product loaded with moly and "various metal particles", one of which is graphite.
These "particles" are supposed to be pushed/forced into the scratches in the cylinder walls from the heat and pressure of combustion.
You can feel the material between your fingers. I do not like the idea of putting solids of any kind into the engine. It just seems like a bad idea. As stated above, if the filter is doing it's job it will be loaded with this material rather quickly.
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12/29/2004
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due to the better fuel economy and extended drain intervals.
better fuel economy, MAYBE on a good day about .25 per gallon.
if you do the math, I have, NO WAY is 6 buck a quart oil cheaper to use then a buck a quart oil unless you are stupid enough to go 15,000 miles between changing the expensive stuff. the real fact of the matter is that the additive package in all oils goes completely dead as in used up in 6,000 miles. It is a plain true fact and no amount of smoke can be blown up mine by steve o the snake oil man can get me or anyone else with a brain to believe different. the sl/sj ratings that current oils must meet only require that it lasts that long. Anyone saying anything else is feeding you a large can of BS.Amsoil thickens up on long drain intervals, unlike oils made from dino stock, the thick oil WILL increase oil pressure, but that pressure increase is caused by lack of flowability, which means that thick stuff IS NOT GETTING TO THE BEARING SURFACES as fast as the thinner stuff does, so the end result is an under lubrecated engine. NO WAY would I ever do that to my engine as I believe that if my engine was designed to be lubed by a fluid that gets thick as grease the thing would have a factory fill of grease. Since it had moble oil it THAT is the brand I will continue to use.
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DakotaEnthusiast
12/29/2004
08:22:08
|  Synthetic Oil - Amsoil 25k Extended Drain Redline
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This is NOT a Redline vs. Amsoil post, just a post whereby Redline confirms Amsoil's claims of Extended Drain.
Redline FINALLY confirms Synthetic Oil Extended Drains.
Amsoil has confirmed and marketed this for 30 years.
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Redline's new information per their website:
"Red Line Synthetic oils have been shown to last 25,000 miles in field tests; however we recommend shorter drain intervals in order to provide a margin of safety with the oil. We recommend draining the oil between 12,000 and 18,000 miles depending on the type of service and the degree of blow-by gases contaminating the oil. High-speed freeway driving is easy on the oil due to its excellent thermal stability. If the engine is worn and if considerable stop-and-go driving is involved, 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested. A good rule of thumb to follow is to change the oil at least once a year regardless the mileage. Manufacturers warranty requirements should be followed while under warranty. Filters can be changed every 5,000 to 7,500 miles in order to assure filter durability is not a problem." ... etc., etc.
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Amsoil comments regarding Extended Drains (in my words):
Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle IS NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
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12/29/2004
08:26:05
| Synthetic Oil - Amsoil 25k Extended Drain Interval
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There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc.
AMSOIL has 30 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval oil drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
The 3k mile oil change myth
Making a blanket statement that additives in oil begin to die after approximately 6k miles is simply put ... wrong. It is true that the additives in many oils begin breaking down after only a few thousand miles. What needs to be recognized is that there are different qualities or “grades” of additives just as there are different qualities or "grades" of just about any other product that you buy. There are also different combinations of additives that tend to work better ...and for longer periods ...when combined ... than when they are used individually.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe where oil standards are higher than for the on-the-shelf oils in America) ... because that's what consumers want.
Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil. Longer intervals = less oil used.
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***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE: Under a combination of city and highway driving, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer drain intervals, ... it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important.
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12/29/2004
08:31:47
| Synthetic Oil - Amsoil 25k Extended Drain Interval
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I would like to post the following article reprinted from an well respected Industry Trade Magazine. In other words ... I'm not asking anyone to take only my words for the facts I post ... here is your Industry Expert ...
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(David McFall's column on AMSOIL, reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes)
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AMSOIL Applauded for Extended Drain Technology
AMSOIL founder A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals. Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles.
Today, motorists are still bombarded with propaganda from the major oil companies promoting 3,000-mile oil changes. However, the industry is slowly but surely coming around. Vehicle manufacturers typically suggest 5,000- to 7,500-mile intervals in their owners manuals, and many manufacturers have also started incorporating oil life monitors into their vehicles, allowing motorists to safely extend drain intervals by monitoring oil life and alerting drivers when the oil needs changing. Competing oil companies have also begun marketing their own synthetics, some claiming service lives extending beyond 3,000 miles.
Lubes-n-Greases Automotive Editor David McFall, once with the American Petroleum Institute recently tackled the issue of extended drain intervals in his March column, criticizing the standard 3,000-mile oil change and referring to the American motor oil market as "shackled".
"In Europe the average engine oil drain interval for current gasoline-fueled cars is about 10,000 miles," explains McFall. "In the United States, indicates the Automotive Oil Change Association, the average drain interval followed by most drivers is somewhat less than 5,000 miles, one-half of Europe's.
"Every year in the United States, this "too-short" drain interval results in the unneeded production of 300 million to 400 million gallons of engine oil; excess consumer expenditures of around $1.5 billion; and tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes."
Not only are these unnecessary oil changes an expense to consumers, explains McFall, but they have an environmental cost as well. "The added environmental cost of having an average 5,000-mile oil drain interval (instead of 10,000 miles, as in Europe) may be nearly 100 million gallons of engine oil being dumped, untreated, into the U.S. environment annually."
McFall's examination of Mobil 1, Shell and AMSOIL demonstrates the differences among companies who are shackled to the current system and one who isn't.
According to an ExxonMobil spokesperson, "Car owners should follow the oil change intervals specified by the manufacturer. We believe it is inappropriate to recommend drain intervals that may conflict with those set forth by the car manufacturer's specifications."
"Here, in a nutshell," says McFall, "is this observer's take on ExxonMobil's and the oil industry's 'owner's manual' position: It is designed solely to increase motor oil sales." He backs it up by mentioning that Mobil 1 SuperSyn motor oil claims to meet European ACEA A5 and B5-02 specifications, two specifications intended to extend oil drain intervals. "If the oil can be used in Europe for extended drain intervals, why doesn't ExxonMobil notify U.S. consumers of that capability?" asks McFall.
Although Shell Oil Products, owner of Pennzoil-Quaker State, has broken through the shackles enough to offer an API unlicensed oil specially formulated for higher mileage engines, they make no mention of a recommended drain interval, preferring instead to avoid the issue and keep consumers in the dark.
McFall marvels at the success of the independent motor oil company that offers drain intervals up to 11 times longer than the standard interval offered by conventional oils, saying, "Purists can sniff that AMSOIL's data isn't derived from a controlled field study, but the sheer mountain of vehicle miles over three decades, and the absence of any confirmed performance, wear or maintenance issues, speaks volumes."
McFall sums up his column by highlighting the true value of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, stating the cost may be "two to three times higher than most retail conventional oils but if you can securely count on a 15,000- to 25,000-mile drain interval, it's a flat-out bargain, not to mention providing a clear environmental bonus."
So, what is it that allows AMSOIL motor oils to be used for extended drain intervals, while other oils must be changed significantly sooner? First, the synthetic base stocks with which AMSOIL motor oils are formulated are worlds apart in quality compared with conventional base stocks. The synthetic molecules are uniform in size and shape, resisting the vaporization that boils off the smaller molecules of conventional motor oils and leaves behind a thicker, higher viscosity oil that compromises engine protection. AMSOIL motor oils surpass even the most stringent European volatility standards, providing superior protection for extended drain intervals.
Second, AMSOIL spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming.
By using only the highest quality synthetic base stocks and additives available, AMSOIL motor oils are capable of extended drain intervals, all while maintaining performance, providing long-term wear protection and fuel economy, keeping engines clean and deposit-free, providing cold weather starts and protecting against rust and corrosion.
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dak02
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12/30/2004
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You certainly post a lot of information promoting Amsoil's extended drain. Do you personally go 1 year or 25,000 miles on your own vehicles??
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12/30/2004
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| Amsoil Extended Drain - My Experience - Amzoil
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Dak02,
... One Year ... YES (with filter change at 6 months).
... 25,000 miles ... No (keep reading for the reason).
Since 1999, I only drive approximately 10,000 - 12,000 miles per year (and sometimes less), therefore I only drive 25,000 miles in 2 1/2 years. For instance, I have had my current vehicle for 28 months and just rolled over the 26,000 mile mark on the odometer.
I have been using Amsoil for 10+ years --- in a multitude of vehicles --- using extended drain --- 2 - 3x manufacturers recommendations --- changing the oil once a year and the filter every six months --- with never a problem. Keep in mind that I average less than 12k miles per vehicle per year. I live in Manhattan (NYC) and commute across the GWB (George Washington Bridge) and my round trip commute is less than 30 miles per day.
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I try to be VERY CLEAR when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil changes are absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation and the 5,000 mile recommendation for oil changes is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
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Notice: Amsoil recommends extended oil drain intervals only when using Amsoil SDF Oil Filters which are engineered for extended drains.
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I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils.
No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months). NOTE: As I stated earlier --- Redline (as stated on their website) - said that some synthetic oils were capable of 25k oil changes --- but DID NOT recommend that you do it with their oil.
Further Note: The 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****:
Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles, then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based upon driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Also, once you have established (through the use of Used Oil Analysis) that your engine and driving habits/conditions are capable of longer drain intervals --- your oil change intervals can be extended further. Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
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You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link:
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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bash
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12/30/2004
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All I know is the guy i live with drives a 95 dodge van and has been using mobil 1 10w 30 since he bought it and he has over 450,000 miles on the van and it runs amazingly, Theres my basis on why i use that oil
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Un Bash
Dodge Dakota
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12/30/2004
21:57:26
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I have seen an old JEEP Cherokee used daily on a rural mail route
in Tifton, Ga. that had in excess of three quarters of a million
miles ( that's 750,000) on it and that was several years ago.
The engine was a 4.0 I-6 and had used Amsoil 10w-30 since
day one.
The carrier told me that it had required two valve jobs, four
transmissions and numerous other parts but never a lower end
problem (including the oil pump).
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QuadRider
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12/31/2004
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Hey bash,
Looks like you need to do a little research on Amsoil v/s
Mobil1.
I switched from Mobil1 back in 1995 and will NEVER switch back.
Mobil does not even begin to offer what Amsoil does when it
comes to off-road powersports.
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