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Castrol VP
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There is no REAL oil in Amsoil. You don't use fake gas so why would you use fake oil?
Like I said, you will see a lot of lies coming from the Amsoil camp.
SAE 5W–20:
Castrol SYNTEC is the first major full synthetic oil brand to offer a 5W–20 that is specifically formulated to meet the needs of Ford, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota 5W–20 service. SYNTEC 5W–20 provides excellent cold weather performance and exceeds the stringent performance, fuel economy and fuel economy retention requirements of the ILSAC GF–4 specification. SYNTEC 5W–20 also meets the stringent Ford WSS–M2C930–A and Ford WSS–M2C153–H specifications, and exceeds all the requirements of ILSAC GF–4 and GF–3 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. Exceeds API SM.
SAE 0W–30:
Castrol SYNTEC 0W–30 European Formula is engineered to meet the Mercedes Benz 229.5 specification. The 0W–30 viscosity grade is ideal for winter conditions where low temperature pumpability is required. A unique, low–temperature formulation provides exceptional pumpability in cold weather and allows for unaided engine starts down to –40ºF. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A3, B3, B4; VW 502 00, 505 00, 503 01; MB 229.1, 229.3, 229.5; BMW LL–01; GM–LLA–025, GM–LL–B–025 and the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF–3 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils.
SAE 5W–30:
is the most recommended grade in today's new cars. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SM, SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A1, A5, B1, B5, GM 6094M; Ford WSS M2C929–A and all requirements of ILSAC GF–4 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. In torture tests, Castrol 5W-30 maintained maximum horsepower 29% longer than the leading conventional oil.
SAE 10W30:
is the leading consumer grade. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SM, SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A1, A5, B1, B5, GM 6094M and all requirements of ILSAC GF–4 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards.
SAE 10W–40:
often used with older cars. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SM, SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A3. B3, B4 and the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF–4 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils.
SAE 5W–50:
provides the widest range of protection available. SAE 5W–50 delivers exceptional cold temperature pumpability for rapid oil circulation at start–up and provides a thick oil film for ultimate wear protection. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SM, SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A3, B3; Ford WSS–M2C931–A and the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF–4 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils.
SAE 5W–40:
is engineered specifically to meet the Volkswagen engine warranty requirements, exceeding VW 502 00 and 505 00. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection for gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Porsche approved and also exceeds European ACEA: A3, B3, B4, MB 229.3, MB 229.1, BMW LL–98. Meets the engine protection requirements of Volvo, BMW, Mercedes Benz and ILSAC GF–3 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils.
SAE 20W–50:
provides superior oil film strength and extreme high temperature protection. Exceeds all car and light truck manufacturer's warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline, diesel and turbocharged engines where API SM, SL, SJ, SH, CF or CD is recommended. Exceeds European ACEA: A3, B3, B4, and the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF–4 for API Certified gasoline Engine Oils.
Castrol SYNTEC exceeds passenger car and light truck manufacturers' warranty requirements for the protection of gasoline and turbocharged engines where API SL, SJ or SH is recommended. Castrol SYNTEC grades exceed the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF-4 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. SYNTEC grades are formulated to surpass European engine test and Japanese wear test requirements and also exceeds the engine protection requirements of Ford ESE-M2C153-G and F, GM 6094M, GM 6085M, Chrysler Corporation MS-6395.
Castrol can prove that their products EXCEED API requirements whereas Amsoil can not.
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kj
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3/04/2008
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A TRUE synthetic shouldn't have any real oil in it. Only the fakes do.
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N56629
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Are synthetics truly man-made?
Over ninety percent of all of the carpet is made up of synthetic fiber – usually one of three materials: nylon, polypropylene or polyester. All three are created by similar chemical processes using oil and natural gas.
Carefully note what these synthetics are derived from - oil and natural gas. If you can make these synthetics from oil then you can make synthetic oil from oil.
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DakDoc
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3/04/2008
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And you can make fake sugar from sugar, too, but that doesn't mean it's good for you.
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Stan or Not?
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3/05/2008
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Synthetic oil is made from clean LNG or liquid natural gas.
Conventional or fake synthetic oil is made from dirty crude.
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Mechanic
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3/05/2008
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----- THE TRUTH -----
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
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WAKE UP PEOPLE.
THE FLAMER (Cory Eye_Trip) IS DESTROYING YOUR FORUM.
Even the site owner dislikes Cory Eye_Trip.
He used to be a member until his registration
was cancelled for flaming a site sponsor (Amsoil).
His Cory Eye_Trip profile on this site:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/cgi-bin/amb/lookup.pl?user=eyetrip
Notice his last post was 6/04/2004 14:05:17.
That is the day he was banned from posting using
his registered member name. But he still posts
here under different names just to flame amsoil.
Cory thought that by attacking site sponsors (Amsoil)
and driving them away, this site would have the benefit
of having only annoying google ads instead.
I guess he forgot that after site sponsors were run off
that this site would be destroyed because of a lack of
advertising $$$ and there would be nothing to enjoy as
a Dodge Dakota enthusiast.
Poor Cory.
Flamed site sponsors and destroyed the site.
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WE KNOW WHY Cory Eye_Trip IS UPSET.
Amsoil is a TRUE synthetic and Mobil1 is not!
Mobil1 oils are all Group III fake synthetic.
Mobil1 switched from a G4 synthetic to a G3 Crude.
Mobil1 must admit AMSOIL is the BETTER OIL.
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum (crude oil) base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It (Amsoil) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
REMEMBER:
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO synthetic.
BACKGROUND
In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Remember:
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.
Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks.
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I like these quotes:
--- Mobil1 ---
This quote sux (for Mobil):
Mobil is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV.
Group III synthetic oils only use about 12%
synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked
petroleum base stocks.
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
This quote sux (for Royal Purple):
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter
and this one:
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils
--- AMSOIL ---
This quote is great (for Amsoil):
AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO)
but also uses Group V Ester technology.
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of
Group IV and Group V synthetics.
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Recap of the above article:
--- MOBIL1 ---
Mobil is Group III.
Mobil is not Group IV.
Mobil is made from hyrdocracked
petroleum (crude) base stocks.
Mobil is no longer a synthetic oil except for mkting purposes.
--- MOBIL1 LIES ABOUT BEING A SYNTHETIC ---
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
Royal Purple is Group V.
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term.
They perform very well in race engines.
They perform very well in applications where
drain intervals are factory specifications or shorter.
Royal Purple tends to be better suited for high
RPM, hot running, air cooled engines.
RP oils don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils.
-- RP is ONLY FOR VERY SHORT DRAIN INTERVALS --
--- AMSOIL ---
Amsoil is a PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mix
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
Amsoil is a true 100% PAO Group IV Synthetic Oil.
--- AMSOIL IS A TRUE PAO SYNTHETIC AND THE BEST ---
--- AMSOIL IS BEST SUITED FOR EXTENDED OIL DRAINS ---
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AMSOIL NOW SPOTTED AT DODGE DEALERSHIPS!
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL?
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
here is the thread on this forum:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!
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But don't pay retail at your Dodge Dealership.
Contact Steve for better prices.
The Amsoil guy (Steve the Amsoil site sponsor)
that was a site sponsor here for many years
(from 2002 - 2007) left due to the childish
behavior of a few flamers.
Steve can be found on another Dodge Dakota truck
site that has moderators and does not allow
undue flaming and childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
DEFEAT THE FLAMERS BY BUYING AMSOIL !!!
DEFEAT THE FLAMERS BY BUYING AMSOIL !!!
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Jack
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5/19/2013
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I have used Amsoil with good results for over 20
years. Amsoil has 2 lines of API certified oil, the
OE and the XL. The OE is group III. Now for the sad
part. I have lost confidence in the company after
learning they lied. Their foundation is "first in
synthetics" since 1972. Amsoil did make a 100%
synthetic oil in 1972. Problem: Al Amatuzio said
himself in an interview that Amsoil was the first
synthetic oil for cars in the world. Really? Motul
made the first 100% synthetic oil for autos in 1971.
Just a plain fact. Motul also made a synthetic
blend in 1966. This may seem trivial, but to me it
is a blatant lie and as I said the foundation Amsoil
stands on. After doing a lot of reseach I also found
that in 1972 Amzoil (as it was called then until a
lawsuit by Pennzoil) was just relabled Mil-Spec oil.
I don‘t know if that is a fact, but do some research
on it. Here's another kicker. Amsoil does not even
make it's own oil. Amsoil busts on Mobil constantly,
but buys it's basestocks from Mobil and other
companies!! Amsoil buys it's additives from other
companies like Lubrizol. So you see, Amsoil is just
a blender of other companies products. Amsoil does
buy very high quality basestock and additives, and
has a lot of experience blending. As a side note
Motul makes their own basestock and has better
quality control as Amsoil has to rely on the
companies they buy from. Is Amsoil better than
Motul? For extended drain, Amsoil is great, but the
25k drain interval is VERY risky without used oil
analysis. The OE & XL line being API certified are a
safe bet during warranty period. The Signature
Series (Amsoil's best/most expensive) is not
certified. I used Amsoil 0W30 in a Honda Ridgeline
and it damaged my catalytic converter which had to
be replaced at 60K miles. Too much ZDDP I guess.
The SS oil maybe good, but Amsoil changes the
formula (other companies do same, ie. Redline) at
will and is not a good oil for all applications.
Anyway,after all my babbling, I lost confidence in
Amsoil. I have some in my riding lawn mower, but my
cars have Indemitsu (subaru synthetic) and Motul. I
decided to try Motul because of their experience
with Ester basestocks. Ester has the opposite
polarity of metal so it leaves a film that protects
at start up. Pao based oil drains off, and is
actually inexpensive to make. Ester base oil is
very expensive to make. Motul uses coconuts,
vegetables, and fatty acids. I do not work for
Motul. I am trying it out, and was impressed with
their 160 year history. (Started in 1853 in NY) I
don't know if Motul is better than Amsoil or any
other top synthetic oil. Amsoil has lost my trust,
and now every claim they make leaves a question mark
in my mind. As for facts, and documentation to back
up what I have said... You look it up for yourself
as I had to. Most people won't believe it until
they see it for themselves. One last comment. Amsoil
is overpriced as it has to pay it's line of dealers.
Makes you wonder what it would cost if there wasn't
an MLM set up. Take care, buyer beware.
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Thank you for the heads up jack. Use what oil you want. Try
bob is the oil guy website and maybe you'll know what your
talking about before you slam an oil which I don't think anyone
here cares about anyways!
Ps. Where were you 5 years ago when this thread was
started?
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