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Pugsy
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This is great news. Amsoil is now available at my local Partsource store in Waterloo, ON. The guy said this is a trial to see how it goes. So make sure you all buy this stuff so they stock it full time!! It's going for $9.99 a quart - not bad, only $1 more then Mobil 1 which I've been using.
My next change will be Amsoil. What filters are you using with Amsoil (for 4.7) and how often do you change the filter? How long are you running the Amsoil (change intervals).
Thanks!!
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02dak
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WOW!!!
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Dan M
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$9/quart? I get M1 synthetic for $22 for 5 quarts ... Half the price of your amsoil..
- Dan M
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Pugsy
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$22 for 5 quarts of M1??? Are you getting it out of the back of an unmarked truck or somethin? I doubt you'd find it retail anywhere at that price (maybe the odd sale or something). If I'm wrong, by all means let me know where you're finding this deal!!
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daddio
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11/27/2006
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Pugsy, your $9.99 a quart is Canadian right?
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Pugsy
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Yep...I'm a canuck! I had always heard of Amsoil but never saw anywhere that stocks it till this weekend.
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jeremiah2360
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Pugsy I run Amsoil to about ten thousand miles,give or take, with analysis. You could take it out a little more,like maybe 12k but 10k seems to be a good safe point. I use a Baldwin B2-HPG one quart oil filter. You should get at least two oil test kits through Amsoil(or Blackstone) to see how its goin and post results on the following site(page with my oil analysis results);
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=246236&Searchpage=1&Main=246229&Words=+jeremiah2360&topic=&Search=true#Post246236
Great site,esp for oil!
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jeremiah2360
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11/27/2006
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PS these google ads suck,I know you can fix it on your own comp but Mark or who-ever should fix the site instead IMO. In the post preview a google ad was blocking my post so I added the dots not thinking the previous posts on this thread would do the the same thing. I also seemed to have widened this thread with my reply and google really sucks now,sorry!
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AmsoilSponsor
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11/27/2006
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Amsoil SAE 5w-30, is $7.25 Suggested Retail .
You can buy Amsoil SYNTHETIC SAE 5w-30 for only $5.70 per quart.
AMSOIL = "Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated" Group IV Motor Oils
BUY YOUR AMSOIL PRODUCTS AT WHOLESALE PRICES / DEALER COST
I am offering FREE Amsoil Preferred Customer Memberships.
It is like joining a CostCo and buying ALL of your Amsoil products
at wholesale prices. The same price I pay as an Amsoil Dealer.
It is a GREAT DEAL ... a FREE Amsoil Preferred Customer Membership.
Here is the Link For The Free Offer.
Amsoil SYNTHETIC SAE 5w-30 is only $5.70 per quart
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$5.70 is the Amsoil Preferred Customer Price (wholesale), and since I am paying
for the Amsoil Preferred Customer Memberships - that is your actual cost.
Even cheaper by the case. The price drops to $5.40 per quart.
The same oil, Amsoil SAE 5w-30, is $7.25 Suggested Retail.
* (These prices are as of November 1, 2006 and are subject to change).
DON'T PAY RETAIL !
BUY YOUR AMSOIL PRODUCTS AT WHOLESALE PRICES / DEALER COST
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Dan M
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11/28/2006
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I get my M1 at wal-mart. 5 quart container. All of their synthetic (fully synthetic) is around $22 a container. i know they carry M1, penzoil, Quaker state, i think a few others. It used to be 19.87 or 19.97 then went up a year or so ago to 21.17 or something werid that like. It's been a couple months since I bought any, but I am going to get some this week, time to change oil in my wife's car. I run 5W30 in both my 2002 dakota and her 2001 grand am.
- Dan M
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lookie here
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11/28/2006
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Mobil 1 may not be fully synthetic any more.
Here is the thread on this website:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/24916.html
Has M1 gone to the darkside? A fake synthetic like castrol?
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Pugsy
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11/28/2006
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That's why I'd like to make the switch to Amsoil. But who knows, maybe Amsoil will do the same thing some day to cut costs.
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02dak
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11/28/2006
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What's the deal with Amsoil not API certified?
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Dan M
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so you're trusting a post on the internet from someone you don't know saying it's not fully synthetic? The Mobile 1 website says it is.
Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?
Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.
If it's not fully synthetic and their website says it is, then the FTC would love to know about it.
- Dan M
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AmsoilSponsor
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11/28/2006
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02dak,
API Licensing - Passenger Vehicles - What is it?
An API (American Petroleum Institute) license indicates that a specific motor oil formulation has passed the MINIMUM performance standards as defined by a series of laboratory bench, physical, chemical and engine tests. These tests were selected and MINIMUM performance standards were set by the API Lubricants Committee to address specific areas such as engine wear, deposits, fuel economy, emissions, etc. The committee is comprised of representatives from automobile, oil and additive companies.
Costs
The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through or requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average. (That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.) Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the MINIMUM requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.
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Why Some AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils Are API Licensed And Some Are Not
1. Full API licensing puts AMSOIL INC. in an inflexible position. Not only would we find it necessary to buy formula components from specific vendors and be at the mercy of their pricing, we would not be able to make any major improvements to the lubricant formulas for 2 to 3 years, without new testing and the associated costs. To solve this problem, the API must establish basestock interchange guidelines for synthetic basestocks just as they have for other basestocks, as well as develop interchange guidelines for other components too.
2. Full API licensing would impose strict phosphorous limitations on our motor oils. This limitation is the main reason most AMSOIL motor oils are not API licensed. AMSOIL INC. currently disagrees with this limitation and feels strongly that the reduced wear and longer oil and additive life achieved through higher levels of properly balanced phosphorous content is more important than the arbitrary API phosphorous limit that does not give any consideration to the NOACK volatility level of an oil. When chemistry is developed that will provide superior engine wear protection with reduced phosphorous levels, or Noack volatility considerations are put in place, then the phosphorous level will become a non-issue.
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Warranties And API Licensed Motor Oils
Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny to fix your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will find against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans. If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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boomer
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11/28/2006
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wow, thats a lot of info..i'm thinkin about amsoil. I really wanna try that royal purple crap I here about a lot but dont see in stores any where.
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02dak
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11/28/2006
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Thanks for the info. I personally use the 10w30 full synthetic oil from Amsoil and was just curious about the subject.
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Dan M
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11/29/2006
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boomer - the only place I've seen royal purple stocked on the shelves is at Pep Boys.
- Dan M
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Dan M
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As far as the API certification goes, I'm reading a few things here.
1) amsoil is cheap..too cheap to "pay for retail space" and to cheap to "pay for the certification".
2) amsoil doesn't care what vehicle manufacturer recomendations are. They recommend API certified oil.
3) amsoil doesn't care about the environment? Part of the API certification process is meeting current governmental regulations regarding automotive automotive emissions and fuel requirements.
4) amsoil doesn't care about the automotive industry? The API engine oil program is composed of ford, GM, DC, Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association and engine manufactures association. The testing process is established by the American Society for testing and Materials (ASTM), Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and the American Chemistry Council (ACC).
What API does is purchase products from the retail environment, test it and compare the results to the results of the formula on file. If amsoil changes the formula, they need to submit that new formula to API.
- Dan M
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NoMoreDanM
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Who else here is tired of this??
Dan M, if you were trying to show you're an Amsoil hater at every possible chance, then you have long since succeeded...
Give it a rest, use whatever non-Amsoil product you want, and don't be such a stick-in-the-mud!
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Dan M
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LOL YaY! I've angered someone else. I suppose you think all gasoline is the same too?
In today's world it's all about the certifications.
I'm just trying to find out why amsoil isn't willing to follow vehicle manufacturer recomendations when every other oil manufacturer is.
Basically amsoil is telling the automotive manufactures and ASE folks they are wrong. I'd like to know why.
- Dan M
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