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donny 8
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8/15/2006
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Simple question, should be a simple answer; after reading multiple posts when I changed oil last weekend I went from regular dino oil to synthetic looking for better mileage. I didn't plan ahead; just bought Castrol Syntec from Meijer's. I have gone 450 miles since the change (yea, I drive alot) and have gained between 2 and 3 miles per gallon, giving me an average of 22 to 23 mpg. I know Amsoil is the most popular syn oil on this site but how much difference is there between Mobil 1, Castrol Syntec, and Amsoil. I'm not sure about the longer change interval some of you talk about; I drive between 40,000 and 50,000 per year in Michigan and crawling under the truck every 3,000 miles has gotten to be a habit.
Thanks for your opinions and sorry for the long post.
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Ummmmmmmmmmmm
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8/15/2006
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Let's start with this:
Castrol Syntec is not a synthetic oil.
They created "Syn" - tec to sound synthetic
and to confuse the public. It's "dino" juice.
aka ........................... crude oil.
... and they call it "crude" for a reason.
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Demon
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8/15/2006
21:46:44
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I also just recently changed to Syntec and gained 2 MPG.
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toolfan
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8/15/2006
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i would use castrol over mobile 1 any day!
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8/15/2006
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donny8,
You asked two different questions.
#1 was in regards to miles per gallon (mpg).
Can I make a few general comments?
MPG differences between Winter and Summer
During the Summer, the fuel additive MTBE (a Winter additive) is no longer required. I have seen tests where fuels using the MTBE additive reduced MPG by as much as 15%. So in the Summer you would see approximately a 15% increase vs. Winter.
NOTE: MTBE is being phased out across the country. It was introduced as an additive to reduce emmissions during cold Winter months. It is getting into underground water supplies and contaminating our waters. 10% Ethanol and NEWLY Developed Additives will be taking it's place.
The $64,000 Question: Was it better for the government to impose the use of MTBE to SLIGHTLY reduce emmissions --- even though it reduced MPG by as much as 15%. We were forced to burn 15% more fuel and therefore a greater quantity of emmissions could have made it into the atmosphere.
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Switching to Synthetics does improve MPG
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. However - It has been proven by AMSOIL, through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers, that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg).
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Reasons MPG may vary:
If you fill up at a warmer part of the day one week compared to the previous week you can sometimes see a huge fluctuation in MPG just based on that. Same holds true for colder weather, whereby it will seem like you got the same or less MPG than when compared to warmer weather.
Also, the pump may have stopped pumping later one week compared to the last, making it "seem" like you used more (or the same) gallons of fuel.
Different driving conditions per tank full also makes a difference.
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Better MPG with a Lower Viscosity
Also, I've observed a MPG increase when switching grades (5w-30 compared to 10w-40).
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Remember, hoping to obtain better MPG is NOT the only reason to switch to synthetic lubricants.
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#2 was in regards to "Extended Oil Drains"
so that you don't have to "crawl under the truck" as often.
Rather than repeat all the information that I have posted so many times here before, I suggest that you check out my Amsoil Forum on another Dakota Truck site:
Here is the link to my AMSOIL FORUM
And since you "drive between 40,000 and 50,000 (miles) per year" I would suggest you check out this link to my By-Pass Oil Filter Systems:
Here is the link: AMSOIL By-Pass Oil Filter Systems ("Single" vs. "Dual")
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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shatto
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8/24/2006
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Adding to what Steve said, most people have trouble calculating miles per gallon because they;
1.do it wrong. How many miles one drives on a tank is inaccurate. The proper way is to fill the tank completely, drive, refill the tank completely, then divide gallons into miles driven.
2. Don't do #1 often enough.
Someone like me, a courier who fills up daily and drives hundreds of miles will have more accurate MPG figures than the fill once a week gang.
That said; I found no improvement of my mileage when, at the first oil change, I began using Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil in my then new 98 Dakota.
Two reasons:
1. It came from the factory with synthetic oil.
2. It took 100,000 miles to fully break-in and get it's best mileage.
My 98 3.9 automatic has averaged high 18's to 19's for 526,000 miles.
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02 dak
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8/24/2006
18:48:50
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What?
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Bob Lincoln
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8/25/2006
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I have used conventional and then synthetic oil in my car with ZERO increase in gas mileage or power. That's 130K miles each, or 350 tankfuls each, all carefully measured. I have run synthetic in the truck for 25K miles. That's enough tankfuls to know. Synthetic oil produces less than 1-3% gain in mileage from reduced friction, which is too little to be significant. You'll never even notice it. But it does reduce wear and make motors last longer, as it's intended to do.
The biggest gain in gas mileage will be achieved with your right foot. Problem is, most of you who want more gas mileage will ignore this and waste time and money pursuing just about anything anyone advertises. So keep pumping your money into our economy, buy American gadgets, keep the jobs here.
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Obio3
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8/25/2006
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During my married years, I tried to teach my ex how to drive for milage. She either wouldn't listen or was unable to comprehend. As a good example, one of the cars we owned was a murcury sable automatic with an inline 6 engine. She got 19 mpg on the open road. Same car, I got 26 and drove a good 10 mph faster then she did. What I'm saying is. Bob Lincoln is exactly correct. stop waisting money on things that do nothing and teach yourself how to drive effectively.
So many problems .... So little time
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02 dak
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8/25/2006
13:20:55
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Finally some voices of reason. I do use synthetic fluids in my truck, but haven't notice any real differences in fuel savings or performance.
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8/28/2006
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When it comes to synthetic motor oils, having a firm understanding of their benefits is invaluable. Here are eight truths about why synthetics are better for today's motorist and worth the extra upfront cost.
1) They offer superior wear protection so that engines last longer.
2) They improve fuel economy so that vehicles get better mileage out of every tank of gas.
3) Due to their low pour points and cold weather pumpability, they make winter starts much easier.
4) By reducing friction they help engines run cooler.
5) By reducing deposits engines run cleaner and perform more efficiently.
6) Due to lower volatility they reduce oil consumption.
7) They have been proven to provide more horsepower.
8) Because they resist oxidation and breakdown, they reduce varnish and sludge which keeps valves and rings from sticking.
When combined with extended drains, premium synthetic motor oils offer these additional benefits:
1) Synthetics save customers money while improving your profitability. Their overall life-cycle costs are less than petroleum products, and you earn more as well.
2) They save customers time. Consumer surveys have shown that they desire the convenience of extended drain intervals. Motorists will pay extra for this convenience.
3) They reduce waste. Not only is there less waste oil to deal with, there are also fewer empty containers to dispose of.
No question about it, the truth is powerful. By speaking the truth about synthetics we can put to rest the anxious concerns of our customers regarding one of their biggest investments, their vehicles. In the end we're respected, and their engines are protected.
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Bob Lincoln
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8/29/2006
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No doubt they are all true. However, so little difference from using conventional oil at proper maintenance intervals that it is unnoticeable and not measurable to the average driver. At $6.29 a quart, I don't use synthetic anymore.
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8/29/2006
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AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for Synthetic Motor Oil
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 is ONLY $5.55 quart.
- By the case ... the price of AMSOIL 5w-30 drops to $5.25 per quart.
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shatto
Dodge Dakota
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8/29/2006
10:44:58
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When I said there was no MPG improvement on the Dakota............There was an improvement.
It took 100,000 miles to get it because the protective qualities of Amsoil caused break-in to take that long.
When I changed to Amsoil 0W-30 oil in my Sonoma, I realised a 3MPG improvement immediately.
A few hundred courier driving miles and a tank of gas a day immediate.
Bob Lincoln,
In the "Hannity & Colmes" world, everything is open to debate. Facts are not open to debate.
You are right only in that if you change conventional oil often enough to keep it new, like 3,000 miles, or less, the MPG and engine wear might, maybe be like Synthetic oil.
So, explain, please, how changing conventional oil five times over 15,000 miles is cheaper than changing synthetic once?
When we talk about the superiority of Amsoil synthetic lubrication, we are using controlled test results with fleets of vehicles and in the labratory, not informercials and advertising hype.
Police departments and trucking companies do not take lightly, using their expensive work tools for tests. They do tests with Amsoil to prove savings to be had to their fleet.
What began the whole Synthetic oil thing in the first place, was Al Amatuzio noticing the Jet Fighter he flew for the Air Force was lubricated with synthetic oil. He learned that conventional oil could not hold up to the temperature and stress demands. Then he wondered why synthetic oils couldn't be used on the ground. Amsoil is the result.
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dodgedak
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8/30/2006
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"What began the whole Synthetic oil thing in the first place, was Al Amatuzio noticing the Jet Fighter he flew for the Air Force was lubricated with synthetic oil. He learned that conventional oil could not hold up to the temperature and stress demands. Then he wondered why synthetic oils couldn't be used on the ground. Amsoil is the result."
What? How did the whole synthetic oil start when Al notice it? It was already being used. Thanks for the history lesson on oil. By the way, Al is openly gay.
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jeb
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8/30/2006
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Al Amatuzio was the first to think of offering synthetic oil for the automotive market.
Prior to Al, synthetic oil was only used in the military and industry.
His nickname was Ammo as a jet fighter, and he originally called his oil Ammo's Oil which was changed to Amsoil.
Something like that so I've read.
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shatto
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8/31/2006
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dodgedak,
Boy! Sure an glad you wised us up to such an important matter.
We are lucky to have benefit of your input.
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dodgedak
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9/02/2006
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"We are lucky to have benefit of your input."
What?
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answer_man
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9/02/2006
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I think he merely left out the word "the" ...
"We are lucky to have the benefit of your input."
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shatto
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9/02/2006
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Grammer is correct, lads.
I was referring to dodgedak, who apparently sneaked over from dodge dakotas dot com to judge from the cheap attack, calling Al Amatuzio gay.
What I see is someone who is envious of someone successful and accomplished seeming to think that the way to handle the situation is drag down the other guy, rather than get his butt in gear and work himself up to the successful guys level.
Makes him a Socialist or Communist or Liberal.
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dodgedak
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9/02/2006
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"I was referring to dodgedak, who apparently sneaked over from dodge dakotas dot com to judge from the cheap attack, calling Al Amatuzio gay."
What?
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