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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/13/2001
23:41:46
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 Subject: VOTE NOW 19" or 20" R/T rims???
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Ok, due to some requests, Ive decieded to have a poll.
Here is the deal. Next tuesday I will be having a "new" rims produced for specifically for the Dakota (and durango). It will be basically an R/T rim, same center cap, backspacing etc. BUT this one will be 10inches in width instead of nine, and will either be 19" or 20" inches high.
I already have pricing for all that want to pre-order.The prices include center caps, AND SHIPPING!
19"
painted 1000.00
chrome 1400.00
20"
painted 1100.00
chrome 1500.00
Also for all that pre-order we will be offering wholesale pricing on tires to go with them.
HERE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT SIZE WOULD YOU PERFER?
19'S OR 20'S
AND ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING?
Please note, pricing on these will never be lower, and noone else will carry them until I give the ok. Even at that time they will not be able to sell them at these prices.
Which ever way the poll goes wins and that size will be produced, the tooling is just SO expensive we cant afford to do both.
Please I urdge you to vote!
JONAS JANEK
DAKOTAGROUPBUYS@AOL.COM
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x96283
Dodge Dakota
9/13/2001
23:47:01
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Well I would go for the 20s due to the wider selection in tires on the current market.
How realistic are in saying shipping included? I NEVER get free shipping in the USA here in Hawaii. Its always 2d day air, much to my wallet's chagrin.
Oh yeah, whenn you say painted, you mean the same finish as stock?
20s for me :)
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Neil
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
01:06:53
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Wha't about 10 X 18" with the correct offset.
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RT Mike
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
01:39:33
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I will also vote for the 20" since there are more tires available. I will probably buy a set, For the $ 1500.00. Hopefully though we can get a killer deal on the tires or I'll have rimes that I can't afford tires for, for a while. I would like to see photo's first though, and mounted on a RT for scale.
Mike
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
02:20:47
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i would go with the 20s...oh wait, i did. have fun buying tires. they are normaly over $300 each. thats more than the painted rims. =)
Eric
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
09:42:14
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Thank you to everyone for voting. So far it looks like 20's are the way to go.
Yes when i say painted, I mean the exact finish as the dodge R/T rims.
Im sorry Hawaii, the shipping that is included is for the contiental US only, but we can work something out to get them to Hawaii.
Also, it is true that 20 tires do retail for around 300.00 but I have a account with 3 major tire dealers and can get them at wholesale which I will sell them at if purchsed for these rims.
ANYONE WHO HASNT: PLEASE VOTE
Jonas
Jonas
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
11:57:55
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I'd love to buy a set but can't afford to, so my vote won't count for much, but...
20" tires are a lot easier to acquire than 19"s... Makes a big difference in the long run.
I wonder what kind of body part I'd have to sell to get the $10k or so I want for truck mods? (rims/tires, ram air hood, SC, tonneau, etc)
SinCity R/T
2001 Silver CC R/T
http://users.lvcm.com/stcr
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low99dakota
Gen III
9/14/2001
15:28:28
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I say 20's. How soon till these are in production, and when you say wholesale on the tires, how much are we talking each? p.s, thanks for your hard work on all the group buys
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
18:16:06
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i got my tires at cost. (michelin XGT-Z4 255/35ZR20) they were $250 each. they list for about $310 each. if your truck is lowered i would sugest going with these. they have the highest tread wear rattings (300) in a Z-ratted tire. and also previded a EXCELENT ride.
if your truck is stock height, go with the goodyear's (forgot the style name) 275/45/20 the are only $150 retail and have a H-speed ratting, for even longer life.
Eric
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Bill in Katy
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
19:28:03
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Do these prices include a spare rim?
If so good. If not how much for a complete set of 5?
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
9/14/2001
22:35:17
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Im good on 20's. Thats a great price. But I hate to say it, pictures would be nice. Although I understand it probably isnt in the cards. I drive a 4x4, never off road though. They'll work fine though, right? has anyone used Nitto tires?
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Wes
GenI
9/14/2001
23:19:12
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I would go with the 20's. 19's are an akward size. If you are stuck between two sizes, you should get the bigger size because you will regret it later. It happens to all my friends. Ends up costing you a lot more in the end.
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Neil
Dodge Dakota
9/15/2001
03:15:41
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Here is a link to see what 20" R/T style rims
would look like on a stock height R/T.
Although rendered in Photoshop this should
be in the ball park.
http://homepage.mac.com/arcdesigns/
PhotoAlbum.html
Neil.
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Scotty
Dodge Dakota
9/15/2001
14:48:42
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dude,
i vote for the 20" inch Rims....... sorry..
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jay
Dodge Dakota
9/15/2001
15:30:28
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my vote is for neither of those wheels. Your just gonna make your truck slower with those big heavy a** things on there and secondly i hope you do not plan on driving in the real world because with the way most roads are you'll never be able to drive on them with those wheels because you'll bend them. So do whatever you like but don't come back posting that your truck now sucks on gas and can't get out of it's own way and you can't understand why your wheels keep bending. Chrome don't get ya home, 20's may look nice but as far as practicality goes their just a waste of money and time unless your truck never sees the real roads and is strickly a show truck and is trailered everywhere.
jay
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joe
Dodge Dakota
9/16/2001
00:15:53
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does any 1 no if the 19s would fit on a 1992 dakota 2x4?
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
9/16/2001
15:25:41
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If 20's are soo bad, then why are they an option on the 02 Ram? hmmmm...
btw, I looked at one today. QC 5.9 auto no leather or infinity sound... 32k!!!!!
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JAY
Dodge Dakota
9/16/2001
17:31:49
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LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE TIRES ON THOSE 20" RIMS YOUR NOT RUNNING A 40 OR 35 SERIES TIRE ON A 20" RIM ON A NEW RAM IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE A 60 OR 65 SERIES WHICH GIVES YOU WAY MORE SIDEWALL TO COMPENSATE FOR THE IRREGULARITIES IN THE ROAD. SECONDLY WHO CARES IF THERE ON A RAM THAT VEHICLE IS HUGH ANYWAYS AND IS FAR FROM BEING A HOT ROD AND MOST PEOPLE WHO BUY THOSE TRUCKS ARE MIDDLE AGED PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT SPEED OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER. a DAKOTA IS MUCH LIGHTER THEN A RAM AND IT'S JUST A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY UNLESS YOU USE A BIGGER SIDEWALL TIRE ( WHICH MEANS YA CAN'T LOWER IT ) OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU BEND A RIM ON YOUR LOWERED TRUCK WITH RUBBER BAND TIRES. TRUCKS ARE NOT HOT RODS OR CANYON CARVERS THEY ARE WORK AND UTILITY VEHICLES YOU DON'T BUY TRUCKS TO BUILD HOT RODS OR SUPER SLICK BMW LIKE HANDLING CARS YOU BUY THEM TO HAUL STUFF AND TO DRIVE.
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/16/2001
21:12:34
| Looks like 20's
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Ok so it looks like its going to be 20's. The prices on tires will vary from type to type, but they will be wholesale priced.
If you want a set of 5 and I will then they will just be 1/4 more. (the same price as the other 4)
Also I love the photo imaging but the 20 R/T that will be produced, will not just be a larger R/T rim. It will have the same size center-cap as teh stock R/T rim. It will also have a "stretched" spoke that will really make it look good. But good job on the photo-editing... looks good
Sorry to everyone else, but I have to make these last comments, I cant stand people being negative for no reason!
As for Jay, why are you posting??? I asked for a vote on wether you want 19" or 20" not the top 10 reasons not to have great looking rims! Also..You dont have much supporting evidence. Heavy...how much do they weight..you dont know. Bending..how strong are they..you dont know. Slow you down...dumbest thing you may have said, and then the comment about not buying trucks to make them fast or perform...and the are for for hauling and offroad only??? WHAT??? 90% of the people on here are on here to make their's fast and handel like if not better then BMW's. Are you not happy with your truck, is it not very fast, does it not handel well? Does it not look good? Is the pricing on the rims too much for you, can t afford tires either. Do you want us all to take a collection to help you get some performance mods, or maybe a hotchkis suspension? Maybe we can even donate enough to get you some good rims.. Let me know.
Jonas
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jay
Dodge Dakota
9/16/2001
22:16:22
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IT'S CALLED ROTATIONAL MASS YOU ILLITERATE F*cK PULL YOUR HEAD OUTTA YOUR A*S BEFORE YOU START TALKING S**T. Simply put those wheels weigh much much more then any 17" or 18" rim out there there fore why do you even want to bother with a 19" or 20" rim and you can also get a much better profile tire on a 17" or 18" rim which will not cause the bending associated with larger wheels with lower profiles. The more weight you put at your wheels the more power it takes to turn them, therefore slowing you down. Go ahead and get your 20" wheels but you know what..... when you bend one don't say i didn't tell you so, with a rock hard lowered suspension and a low profile tire one good rut and it's all over for those wheels. If you don't believe me call a tire and wheel shop they will tell you the same thing you always run those kinds of risks when you modify the size of your wheels and run low profile tires.
Lastly, you sound like a second grader, ranting and raving like a retard and yes i love my truck and yes it's very fast, no i do not need your money, i make plenty of my own thanx. I really appreciate the fact that you try and sound cool and try and sound like a big bad as* but you know what i'm not the one who 's gonna blow money on a stupid investment, why don't you take that money your gonna spend on those wheels and invest it in something worthwhile so you can pay your truck off and maybe you could use the money you make to buy yourself a better education, instead of buying stupid 20" wheels. So needless to say your post was totally uncalled for and plain out rude, if you have no interest in what others have to say then too bad..... DEAL WITH IT it's called life, you asked, i responded, you felt like an idiot cause i may have slipped a negative thought in your mind and maybe made you think twice or maybe not, all in all i could give a rat's as* what you think or say do some research on plus size wheels and tires and there effects on drivability and reliablity. When your stuck on the side of the road with a bent wheel i'll just drive by laughing while i flip you off.
i hope i pissed you off cause retards like you serve no purpose.
jay
p.s. my trucks payed for, i don't make payments, payed cash cause i invest my money properly and don't spend it stupidly.
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kota on dubs
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
02:33:02
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jay, i have 20s on mine, and i HAVE bent a couple of rims. only because im running a 35 series tire (i have to with my 4/6 drop). i do drive safly and watch out for big pot holes. they dont bend that easily. the new ram is running a 275/45/20 as well as the ford F-150 harly edition. you could run the same tire on a dak if only had a mild drop.
as for slowing it down because of weight, i have my stock 15's, 17" budnicks, and my 20" colorado customs. the 17's performed the best because they altered the gearing the most. the weight differance should not make that much of a differance.
Also, i am responsible for a few saturday night races, but not that many to worry about an extra 5lbs. every time i go crusing, at least one person looks at my truck, then down at the "dubs" and gives me the thumbs up. its a good feeling. do you think that same person would do that if i just had a 408 stroker? i DONT THINK SO. why? because untill you hit the gas it looks stock. and when you do hit the gas there better not be a cop around.
i think the rims make the car (or truck)
i dont care if you dont like big rims. you probably like something that i think looks totally looks like sh1t. letts just keep our opinions to our selvs. m'kay
Eric
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
08:15:49
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The only reason I haven't voted yet is because I have no intention of using these sizes. I am the type to retain the stock wheels. If I did go aftermarket I would go 17 but, the topic is 19 or 20.
In my opinion I wouild vote for the 20 for the same reason most people. There seems to be a greater varity of tires in 20" right now which mean better selection and bargaining power.
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
12:03:04
| 20's it is!
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Ok everyone, it looks like it is going to be the 20" rims. I have also contacted KRC about their "gear box" so that if you want to run tires smaller or larger than what you have stock you wont have to worry about spedo problems, it compensates for the changes.
Ill keep eveyone updated as the production progresses.
Jonas
Sorry again all, but I have a few things to reply to Jay.
Jay, first off why are you posting here...again it does not read, "if you are an angry person and hate bigger rims please come and try to degrade everyone here", and if I saw a post that wanted info on off-road suspensions, I would not go there and just tell them how dumb I think those are (not that I do).
Why are you so concerned with my investments, If you dont like 20" rims why are you posting here, and why are you so angry?
Next, if you want to get into physics, lets do it. I can gaurentee you that I have much more experience if the field than you do, unless you already have your masters degree, because I just finished my undergrad with a physics and math major, and now Im just working on my engineering degree to round out my triple major before I go on to my masters. So if you want to talk lets talk.
Ill assume that you are not a physics major so Ill tune down the termanology a bit for you. Rotational Mass... is based tangent to a point on the outermost edge, most people will run 28" overall height tires, so unless you are running your 15" rims against my 20" rims and neither of us are using TIRES, your wrong. So what you really need to know is how large in total diameter are my rims and tires, against your rims and tires.
Then you still need the mass part. You have no idea what the rims will weigh. Are your rims made out of; aluminum, alloy, steel, magnesum??? And what percentages? Then you act like you know this data about the rims that im going to produce? So considering they are both the same exact overall height, then you assume that the 20"s still be heavier? Well maybe, but maybe not. Again you are assuming!!!
Well here you go, what if they are heavier??? SO WHAT..I have no problem in my truck turning the tires, in fact I have more of a problem keeping them on the ground, right now I have almost too much torque, and not enough traction, so when I change rims Ill also change to a wider tire on the back. Suppose that the rims are a bit heavier in back, that very well add to keeping the rear end down while accelerating.
Your also assuming that all of us are going to put "on rock hard lowered suspensions and a low profile tire" actually Im going to run a rather large tire, infact the largest that I can get under my rock hard R/T suspension??? How do you know I dont plan on putting a Lincoln suspension on my truck??
So your truck is fast?...what happened to "TRUCKS ARE NOT HOT RODS OR CANYON CARVERS THEY ARE WORK AND UTILITY VEHICLES YOU DON'T BUY TRUCKS TO BUILD HOT RODS OR SUPER SLICK BMW LIKE HANDLING CARS YOU BUY THEM TO HAUL STUFF" Again, disagree with yourself. Do you really have a dakota?
Now lets talk money, why do you assume again that I dont have any, have no investments, and dont have my truck paid off??? Im on here all the time, spend lots of time and frusteration organizing group guys and do it all for free! This is just a hobby and a huge amount of money (alot more than your truck is even worth) is going to be invested in the production of these rims, for no other reason than I want to. But you know what, thats not something that I asked for your opinion on either!
The reason I asked you if you needed some mods or money, is that most people critizise the things that they either dont have or cant afford. Take some psychology classes and maybe youll learn some things too.
You also seem to contradict yourself alot!! Not to mention that you still have the entire question wrong:
HERE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT SIZE WOULD YOU PERFER?
19'S OR 20'S AND ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING?
That should take a reply: 19 or 20 and yes or no...not your rediculous reply!
BTY: You never did list what kind of truck you have, what it looks like, mods, and just how fast it is!
Jonas Janek
2000 CC (all options), custom leather interior, bedrug, Mopar tonneau cover, rollpan, fender flares, clear lights, custom painted everything(mirrors, handels, bumpers, etc), 17x9 rims with 255/60/17 Toyo Proxes S/T tires, powerslot rotors, tinted windows, custom made Gibson dual exhaust, Performance suspension 1" front drop, 3 inch rear drop(all done correctly, no blocks)
Already ordered(just waiting on the s/c before I can add the rest: Powerdyne supercharger, F&B 72 mm throttle body, 4.56 gears,custom flash.
Other projects Im currently working on(investments): Fully functional R/A hood (new design, pattented). Performance heads for the 4.7(again pattened, Performance cam for the 4.7(yes patttented.
So jay what do you do?
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
12:05:32
| 20's it is!
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Ok everyone, it looks like it is going to be the 20" rims. I have also contacted KRC about their "gear box" so that if you want to run tires smaller or larger than what you have stock you wont have to worry about spedo problems, it compensates for the changes.
Ill keep eveyone updated as the production progresses.
Jonas
Sorry again all, but I have a few things to reply to Jay.
Jay, first off why are you posting here...again it does not read, "if you are an angry person and hate bigger rims please come and try to degrade everyone here", and if I saw a post that wanted info on off-road suspensions, I would not go there and just tell them how dumb I think those are (not that I do).
Why are you so concerned with my investments, If you dont like 20" rims why are you posting here, and why are you so angry?
Next, if you want to get into physics, lets do it. I can gaurentee you that I have much more experience if the field than you do, unless you already have your masters degree, because I just finished my undergrad with a physics and math major, and now Im just working on my engineering degree to round out my triple major before I go on to my masters. So if you want to talk lets talk.
Ill assume that you are not a physics major so Ill tune down the termanology a bit for you. Rotational Mass... is based tangent to a point on the outermost edge, most people will run 28" overall height tires, so unless you are running your 15" rims against my 20" rims and neither of us are using TIRES, your wrong. So what you really need to know is how large in total diameter are my rims and tires, against your rims and tires.
Then you still need the mass part. You have no idea what the rims will weigh. Are your rims made out of; aluminum, alloy, steel, magnesum??? And what percentages? Then you act like you know this data about the rims that im going to produce? So considering they are both the same exact overall height, then you assume that the 20"s still be heavier? Well maybe, but maybe not. Again you are assuming!!!
Well here you go, what if they are heavier??? SO WHAT..I have no problem in my truck turning the tires, in fact I have more of a problem keeping them on the ground, right now I have almost too much torque, and not enough traction, so when I change rims Ill also change to a wider tire on the back. Suppose that the rims are a bit heavier in back, that very well add to keeping the rear end down while accelerating.
Your also assuming that all of us are going to put "on rock hard lowered suspensions and a low profile tire" actually Im going to run a rather large tire, infact the largest that I can get under my rock hard R/T suspension??? How do you know I dont plan on putting a Lincoln suspension on my truck??
So your truck is fast?...what happened to "TRUCKS ARE NOT HOT RODS OR CANYON CARVERS THEY ARE WORK AND UTILITY VEHICLES YOU DON'T BUY TRUCKS TO BUILD HOT RODS OR SUPER SLICK BMW LIKE HANDLING CARS YOU BUY THEM TO HAUL STUFF" Again, disagree with yourself. Do you really have a dakota?
Now lets talk money, why do you assume again that I dont have any, have no investments, and dont have my truck paid off??? Im on here all the time, spend lots of time and frusteration organizing group guys and do it all for free! This is just a hobby and a huge amount of money (alot more than your truck is even worth) is going to be invested in the production of these rims, for no other reason than I want to. But you know what, thats not something that I asked for your opinion on either!
The reason I asked you if you needed some mods or money, is that most people critizise the things that they either dont have or cant afford. Take some psychology classes and maybe youll learn some things too.
You also seem to contradict yourself alot!! Not to mention that you still have the entire question wrong:
HERE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT SIZE WOULD YOU PERFER?
19'S OR 20'S AND ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING?
That should take a reply: 19 or 20 and yes or no...not your rediculous reply!
BTY: You never did list what kind of truck you have, what it looks like, mods, and just how fast it is!
Jonas Janek
2000 CC (all options), custom leather interior, bedrug, Mopar tonneau cover, rollpan, fender flares, clear lights, custom painted everything(mirrors, handels, bumpers, etc), 17x9 rims with 255/60/17 Toyo Proxes S/T tires, powerslot rotors, tinted windows, custom made Gibson dual exhaust, Performance suspension 1" front drop, 3 inch rear drop(all done correctly, no blocks)
Already ordered(just waiting on the s/c before I can add the rest: Powerdyne supercharger, F&B 72 mm throttle body, 4.56 gears,custom flash.
Other projects Im currently working on(investments): Fully functional R/A hood (new design, pattented). Performance heads for the 4.7(again pattened, Performance cam for the 4.7(yes patttented.
So jay what do you do?
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
12:07:08
| 20's it is!
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Ok everyone, it looks like it is going to be the 20" rims. I have also contacted KRC about their "gear box" so that if you want to run tires smaller or larger than what you have stock you wont have to worry about spedo problems, it compensates for the changes.
Ill keep eveyone updated as the production progresses.
Jonas
Sorry again all, but I have a few things to reply to Jay.
Jay, first off why are you posting here...again it does not read, "if you are an angry person and hate bigger rims please come and try to degrade everyone here", and if I saw a post that wanted info on off-road suspensions, I would not go there and just tell them how dumb I think those are (not that I do).
Why are you so concerned with my investments, If you dont like 20" rims why are you posting here, and why are you so angry?
Next, if you want to get into physics, lets do it. I can gaurentee you that I have much more experience if the field than you do, unless you already have your masters degree, because I just finished my undergrad with a physics and math major, and now Im just working on my engineering degree to round out my triple major before I go on to my masters. So if you want to talk lets talk.
Ill assume that you are not a physics major so Ill tune down the termanology a bit for you. Rotational Mass... is based tangent to a point on the outermost edge, most people will run 28" overall height tires, so unless you are running your 15" rims against my 20" rims and neither of us are using TIRES, your wrong. So what you really need to know is how large in total diameter are my rims and tires, against your rims and tires.
Then you still need the mass part. You have no idea what the rims will weigh. Are your rims made out of; aluminum, alloy, steel, magnesum??? And what percentages? Then you act like you know this data about the rims that im going to produce? So considering they are both the same exact overall height, then you assume that the 20"s still be heavier? Well maybe, but maybe not. Again you are assuming!!!
Well here you go, what if they are heavier??? SO WHAT..I have no problem in my truck turning the tires, in fact I have more of a problem keeping them on the ground, right now I have almost too much torque, and not enough traction, so when I change rims Ill also change to a wider tire on the back. Suppose that the rims are a bit heavier in back, that very well add to keeping the rear end down while accelerating.
Your also assuming that all of us are going to put "on rock hard lowered suspensions and a low profile tire" actually Im going to run a rather large tire, infact the largest that I can get under my rock hard R/T suspension??? How do you know I dont plan on putting a Lincoln suspension on my truck??
So your truck is fast?...what happened to "TRUCKS ARE NOT HOT RODS OR CANYON CARVERS THEY ARE WORK AND UTILITY VEHICLES YOU DON'T BUY TRUCKS TO BUILD HOT RODS OR SUPER SLICK BMW LIKE HANDLING CARS YOU BUY THEM TO HAUL STUFF" Again, disagree with yourself. Do you really have a dakota?
Now lets talk money, why do you assume again that I dont have any, have no investments, and dont have my truck paid off??? Im on here all the time, spend lots of time and frusteration organizing group guys and do it all for free! This is just a hobby and a huge amount of money (alot more than your truck is even worth) is going to be invested in the production of these rims, for no other reason than I want to. But you know what, thats not something that I asked for your opinion on either!
The reason I asked you if you needed some mods or money, is that most people critizise the things that they either dont have or cant afford. Take some psychology classes and maybe youll learn some things too.
You also seem to contradict yourself alot!! Not to mention that you still have the entire question wrong:
HERE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT SIZE WOULD YOU PERFER?
19'S OR 20'S AND ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING?
That should take a reply: 19 or 20 and yes or no...not your rediculous reply!
BTY: You never did list what kind of truck you have, what it looks like, mods, and just how fast it is!
Jonas Janek
2000 CC (all options), custom leather interior, bedrug, Mopar tonneau cover, rollpan, fender flares, clear lights, custom painted everything(mirrors, handels, bumpers, etc), 17x9 rims with 255/60/17 Toyo Proxes S/T tires, powerslot rotors, tinted windows, custom made Gibson dual exhaust, Performance suspension 1" front drop, 3 inch rear drop(all done correctly, no blocks)
Already ordered(just waiting on the s/c before I can add the rest: Powerdyne supercharger, F&B 72 mm throttle body, 4.56 gears,custom flash.
Other projects Im currently working on(investments): Fully functional R/A hood (new design, pattented). Performance heads for the 4.7(again pattened, Performance cam for the 4.7(yes patttented.
So jay what do you do?
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
12:08:54
| 20's it is!
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Ok everyone, it looks like it is going to be the 20" rims. I have also contacted KRC about their "gear box" so that if you want to run tires smaller or larger than what you have stock you wont have to worry about spedo problems, it compensates for the changes.
Ill keep eveyone updated as the production progresses.
Jonas
Sorry again all, but I have a few things to reply to Jay.
Jay, first off why are you posting here...again it does not read, "if you are an angry person and hate bigger rims please come and try to degrade everyone here", and if I saw a post that wanted info on off-road suspensions, I would not go there and just tell them how dumb I think those are (not that I do).
Why are you so concerned with my investments, If you dont like 20" rims why are you posting here, and why are you so angry?
Next, if you want to get into physics, lets do it. I can gaurentee you that I have much more experience if the field than you do, unless you already have your masters degree, because I just finished my undergrad with a physics and math major, and now Im just working on my engineering degree to round out my triple major before I go on to my masters. So if you want to talk lets talk.
Ill assume that you are not a physics major so Ill tune down the termanology a bit for you. Rotational Mass... is based tangent to a point on the outermost edge, most people will run 28" overall height tires, so unless you are running your 15" rims against my 20" rims and neither of us are using TIRES, your wrong. So what you really need to know is how large in total diameter are my rims and tires, against your rims and tires.
Then you still need the mass part. You have no idea what the rims will weigh. Are your rims made out of; aluminum, alloy, steel, magnesum??? And what percentages? Then you act like you know this data about the rims that im going to produce? So considering they are both the same exact overall height, then you assume that the 20"s still be heavier? Well maybe, but maybe not. Again you are assuming!!!
Well here you go, what if they are heavier??? SO WHAT..I have no problem in my truck turning the tires, in fact I have more of a problem keeping them on the ground, right now I have almost too much torque, and not enough traction, so when I change rims Ill also change to a wider tire on the back. Suppose that the rims are a bit heavier in back, that very well add to keeping the rear end down while accelerating.
Your also assuming that all of us are going to put "on rock hard lowered suspensions and a low profile tire" actually Im going to run a rather large tire, infact the largest that I can get under my rock hard R/T suspension??? How do you know I dont plan on putting a Lincoln suspension on my truck??
So your truck is fast?...what happened to "TRUCKS ARE NOT HOT RODS OR CANYON CARVERS THEY ARE WORK AND UTILITY VEHICLES YOU DON'T BUY TRUCKS TO BUILD HOT RODS OR SUPER SLICK BMW LIKE HANDLING CARS YOU BUY THEM TO HAUL STUFF" Again, disagree with yourself. Do you really have a dakota?
Now lets talk money, why do you assume again that I dont have any, have no investments, and dont have my truck paid off??? Im on here all the time, spend lots of time and frusteration organizing group guys and do it all for free! This is just a hobby and a huge amount of money (alot more than your truck is even worth) is going to be invested in the production of these rims, for no other reason than I want to. But you know what, thats not something that I asked for your opinion on either!
The reason I asked you if you needed some mods or money, is that most people critizise the things that they either dont have or cant afford. Take some psychology classes and maybe youll learn some things too.
You also seem to contradict yourself alot!! Not to mention that you still have the entire question wrong:
HERE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT SIZE WOULD YOU PERFER?
19'S OR 20'S AND ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BUYING?
That should take a reply: 19 or 20 and yes or no...not your rediculous reply!
BTY: You never did list what kind of truck you have, what it looks like, mods, and just how fast it is!
Jonas Janek
2000 CC (all options), custom leather interior, bedrug, Mopar tonneau cover, rollpan, fender flares, clear lights, custom painted everything(mirrors, handels, bumpers, etc), 17x9 rims with 255/60/17 Toyo Proxes S/T tires, powerslot rotors, tinted windows, custom made Gibson dual exhaust, Performance suspension 1" front drop, 3 inch rear drop(all done correctly, no blocks)
Already ordered(just waiting on the s/c before I can add the rest: Powerdyne supercharger, F&B 72 mm throttle body, 4.56 gears,custom flash.
Other projects Im currently working on(investments): Fully functional R/A hood (new design, pattented). Performance heads for the 4.7(again pattened, Performance cam for the 4.7(yes patttented.
So jay what do you do?
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JAY
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
18:28:10
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Let's see i run a detailing shop on my free time that i own, and i'm also a Computer technician during the week, run and organize a local car club, and i drive a mini stock race car ( when i can ). All in all i'm pretty busy, oh yeah my truck is a 2001 dakota sport 3.9 v6, reg cab, shortbed, 5spd, flowmaster exhaust, jba headers, vortech supercharger, iat adjuster, map/boost bypass, 50mm flowmetrics tb. You wanna talk about investments i probably have more in my mini stock and my shop then you have in your so called investments i'm not here to talk about money and if i wanted 20" rims then i would buy them but they are not a wise investment for a street driven vehicle. Ok einstein explain this then, if you need 20" wheels for traction and the ability to be able to run a wider tire then how come 6,000 hp funny cars don't run them HUH.....
you don't know...... when you build a fast car or truck you want to reduce as much weight as possible not add more weight, hell why don't you just drag race with a bed full of cement and rocks, why do you think these cars run fiberglass bodies, lightweight everything i mean everything right down to the drivers seat. Less weight equals more power, faster quarter mile times , and higher trap speeds. If you have a properly balanced suspension, you have no need to run a hugh wheel to compensate for the imbalance in the suspension. Tune your suspension properly and you'd be surprised at how much better your truck can handle on a wheel of a lesser size, it's not the wheel that will make your truck handle better it's the suspension. I was simply staing a fact before a bunch of kids decide to go out and buy a bunch of 20" rims then a week later come back saying that they bent one.... here's one for ya from truckin magazine october 2001 page 12.
here comes the dilemma. These folks plan to tuck 22s and 23s, but rubber manufacturers have not caught up to the demand. As it stands currently, there are only two tire companies producing ultra low profile 22 inch tires, none making low profile 23 inch rubber. Now ask anyone who currently runs around on 20 inch rollers and low profile tires how many times their wheels have been back to the manufacturer for straightening.
While it looks really cool to fit your truck with killer rolling stock, driving it on the street is another issue entirely.
this is from the magazine it's right on the first couple of pages, yes it is a magazine, but who is better for misleading people but magazines and i think this article is actually accurate, don't believe me go buy it it's right there in black and white. OH yeah my wheels are not 15s they are 16s they are from the tire and wheel package.
oh yeah on last thing, how come nascars don't run 20" wheels if they are so great, you know why......probably not...... because they don't need them nor do they need the extra weight, their handling comes from proper suspension tuning not 20" wheels. So please stop misleading people into thinking this is something great when it's not and misleading them into spending their hard earned money on stuff they do not need, when really all they need is a better suspension.
i vote for neither wheel and i'm done posting i'm tired of the misleading B.S. on this board. Tell people the truth and not just what they wanna hear.
thanx
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Neil
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
19:37:58
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To Jay,
I for one am glad for your input (Excess weight
and higher degree of potential failure), this is
one of the primary reasons boards like this
are so sucessful. Now here's the but. But, it
seems to me you went a little overboard on
your opions of the reason myself and others
bought their Dakota. To me, my Dakota Sports
Truck is as the name inplies first, a sports
vechiel and second a truck.
To Jonas,
The Photoshop image of th e 20" R/T style
rims I posted one my site dose in fact have
the correct size center caps and elongated
spokes.
Neil
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/17/2001
22:19:25
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Anyway...
Thanks for the reply Jay, Im still not sure why you are posting here but thanks, and anyone who wants to accept your info is welcome to do so.
As for the rest of you. It looks like the tires will be 20's. you can fit any size tires you choose on them that will fit depending on your suspension height. Ill find out tommorrow if we will be able to do both 20X9 and 20x10 if we cant do both we will only be producing a 20'9 that way reducing the chance of rubbing on the front.
Production time will be approx. 10 weeks. Ill keep everyone updated as the project progresses. The photos that Neil made are great idea of what the rims will look like if mounted with a 28 over all height tire.THANKS AGAIN NEIL! If you get some time see what you can do with a chrome rim...your really good!
If you want more rubber, from what I have been told from some tire experts you will be able to use up to a 29.25 on the front. Ill verify the exact tire and fitment in the next few weeks and get updated tire prices to sell with the rims. Ill also have pricing on the "gear box" to compensate your spedo if you choose to run larger than stock tires. The retail price is 149.00 but I should be able to work out a great deal on them for us.
Jonas
DakotaGroupBuys@aol.com
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Neil
Dodge Dakota
9/18/2001
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New pic of 20" chrome.
http://homepage.mac.com/arcdesigns/
PhotoAlbum.html
P.S. I don't want to de-rail the project any more
than it has already, however what about an
18" X 10" BBS style Viper rim?
Neil
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
9/18/2001
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jay, I was reading in a mag (i think it was hot rod mag) and someone wrote in asking why dont F1 and nascar use bigger rims if they handle better? the answer was they were restricted to the 15 or 16" rims because they are already too fast (they already use restrictor plated under the carbs to keep the speed down) and a bigger rim would make them enter turns even faster!
the tires are a HUGE part of the suspencion! i noticed a big differance when going to a lower profile tire, and nothing else.
why do you think vipers, porshes, ferrari's and lambo's come with 18?
heck the 03 viper is comming with 19 in front and 20's in the rear. (at least the one in the L.A. auto show had them)
i have only bent 2 rims in 1 1/2 years and im sure that the 20" R/T rims will be stronger than my billet aluminum rims.
the reason funny cars dont run them is because they need a bigger sidewall to hook up the 6000HP engine. why are you tring to compair a 29" street tire to a 32" racing slick that runs on 6psi of air
if you think 20's are so heavy why dont you throw your 16's in the trash and get some 13's with a 155/13? your truck will haul a$$ then!! (in your way of thinking)
the smaller sidewall makes the car handle better because is has less flex in the sidewall. read some more issues of truck'n and they decribe this even more if you dont beleve me
Eric
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RedDak
Dodge Dakota
9/19/2001
19:27:42
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Neil, thanks for the pics..you are really GOOD! That rim looks great.
Eric, thanks for your info. What size 20"s do you have on your dak (width)? Any idea what the largest side wall and largest width can fit on a 20x9 on a dakota sport, dakota r/t and, a lowered dak...Just trying to iron out some tires prices to go with the rims and wnat to cover all the bases.
The rims will be 20x9's. Pre-orders will start in about 2 weeks once I recieve the blue-prints, and rims will be shipped in about 8-10 weeks. A thank you to everyone for their help!
Jonas Janek
DakotaGroupBuys@aol.com
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
9/20/2001
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jonas, my rims are 8" wide. on a 9" wide rim you will probably want to run a tire that is 275mm wide. on a stock dak go with a goodyear 275/45/20 (like on the 02 ram's). that size goodyears are priced VERRY GOOD. i think they are about $150ea.
on a dak with a 2/3 drop try a 275/40/20 these might work on a 3/5 drop also.
a 9" wide rim on a dak with a 4/6 drop, might incounter some rim/A-arm rubbing
Eric
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R. Middleton
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
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Neil,
Prices on those BBS rims are stratuspherical! A group buy might bring them down a bit. I have seen a few web pages selling Viper rims If you want I can e-mail em to you. but that doesn't really have to do with thread so I won't post em here.
I think the 20" RT rim looks sweet!
Middy.
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Neil
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
16:26:43
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Hi Middy,
I'm sorry if I was not clear, my intension was to
suggest that Jonas could produce a
aftermarket version of the BBS ACR rim
through his wheel connection.
As the OEM BBS ACR wheel is forged not cast
it is indeed expensive. (List $1500.00 each)
My thinking was a cast version in the $250.00
each range.
Neil
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R. Middleton
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
18:21:13
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Ahhhh! I see thanks for clearing that up. The forged thing also clears up the price question on the BBS wheel price. Do you know if the factory 18" rims are cast or forged? Sorry to go of topic a bit here.
Many thanks
Middy.
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ken encinas
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
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When are the rims going to be ready to order
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snowman
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
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20's and maybe a progressive suspension kit?
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RedDak
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11/02/2001
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Orders have already started. The pricing is finalized and due to increased shipping costs and a few engineering factors the prices vary slightly from the first ballpark figures. They are as follow:
Painted: 1199.00 set of 4 shipped
Chrome: 1599.00 set of 4 shipped
Shipping includes US 48 ground other shipping extra.
There will only be 75 sets or 300 rims TOTAL for the pre-order (wholesale) pricing and you WILL NOT find them at this cost after this. Tires are also available at wholesale if purchased for the pre-order rims.
Payment includes: Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, Money order, check.
No credit card will be charged until the rims are shipping, paypal orders and money order and checks will be deposited and held unitl the time of shipping as well.
There is a 15% restocking fee for canceled orders.
Estimated shipping date January 7th 2002
(subject to change)
As of 11-01-01, a total of 26 orders have been placed, with more pending check approvals.
If you have any questions or comments please email or call me directly.
Jonas Janek
Owner Premier Automotive
2811 Benton St.
Granite City, IL 62650
618-406-7658
www.premier-automotive.net
sales@premier-automotive.net
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