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Charliedog V6
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
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The other night I was driving through my town and got behind a Dakota and a small jeep pickup. I could tell they were going to race so I was interested in seeing what would happen. Well the light turned green and they were off. The Jeep Left the Dak in its dust. I later found out the Dak was a 4.7 auto. No one knew what the Jeep had in it because he refused to tell. To me it sounded like my truck a 3.9, but if it was how did he beat the Dak. What size engines did those trucks come out with? Or could it have something I didn't think it had, and what could it have been?
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Dave
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8/30/2001
00:18:35
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If you don't know what engine's in something or what performance mods are made, there's no telling what the vehicle will do. Even if it's a littler engine, which it more-than-likely is, he could have added intake, less restrictive exhaust, changed gears, there's a ton of things someone can do that wouldn't be noticeable from the "outside".
The driver of the Jeep may have been experienced as well. It's not all about slamming the gas pedal down when you're racing, it's keeping the RPM's at the optimum level. If it's a stick, it would be a lot easier than with an auto, but the driver makes a lot of difference in either case.
That's just my two cents, I am by no means good at drag racing or know much about it for that matter.. just stuff I've picked up along the way.
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TigerDak
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8/30/2001
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Jeeps are geared lower, so they should be able to get ahead quicker than a Dakota, usually. But, beyond about 150 yards, the strength of the Dakota and its speed should overtake it and leave it eating your dust. That is just an advantage of a vehicle that is geared lower vs. another with higher gears.
also, that Jeep could have the same sized engine, but the vehicle could also weigh a few hundred pounds less, too. There are a lot of factors that get thrown into that type of thing. Also, that Dakota owner may not know much about racing; maybe that was his first one???
I have raced Wranglers, and they always get the jump on me for about 100 yards, then I overtake them, especially when climbing a hill, and they just watch me pass them on by. Its funny.
If you took a Dakota, and a Jeep, with the exact sized engine, the exact mods, and the exact experienced drivers vs. each other, I would take the Dakota, hands down.
Dont worry about it too much.
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Jimmyc
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8/30/2001
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Pretty sure the Jeep Comanche had a 4.0L 6cyl in it. If I remember right the Comanche was made between 86 and 92. I had a friend, back in the early 90's, with a stripped down Cherokee with the 6 in it. As I remember it was pretty quick for its size. Always sucks to hear of a Dak losing to anything. Who knows, you might put the same trucks side by side again and the outcome might be different even with the same drivers.
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Wayne
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8/30/2001
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Jimmyc is on the right track. The little pickups weighed less than the Dakotas. If it sounded like a 6 cyl. then it would be the 4.0. I seem to remember a 190 hp rating. They only came in 4s and 6s. Probably geared about the same - in the 3.5 range. Put them on a drag strip with equal drivers and the Dak would win.
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Bob
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8/30/2001
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If that truck went up against a 4.7 and won the race,than that truck was a sleeper,it sure in h*ll was not a stock 4.0!There is no way a stock 4.0 Jeep Comanche is going to beat a 4.7 !
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Troy
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8/30/2001
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I owned a '91 Comanche with the 4.0 engine. It was rated at 190 horsepower. This is an inline six, not a V6. The truck did run pretty well, and was fairly torquey. I had a few bolt-on mods, such as cat-back, K&N, plugs, wires, cap, etc. The truck was a 4x4 5-speed w/ 3.55 gears. I also had a '99 5.2L 5-speed CC Dakota 4x4 w/ 3.92 gears, and it would eat the Jeep for lunch. I currently have a '00 QC 4x4 w/ 3.92's and the 5.9. Both of the Dakota's are much quicker and have quite a bit more low-end torque than the Jeep. Both of my Dodge's were modified, but the stock Dakota's would be the modified Jeep, easily. The Jeep was definitely a nice truck. Never had any problems, other than normal maintenance. It rode nice, handled well, run good, etc., but the Dodge's are a better truck. They do weigh considerably more, as well. If the 5.2 or 5.9 was in the Jeep, you would have one bad truck, with some serious rear traction problems. I don't why the 4.7 lost, but stock vs. stock, would be no challenge. Dodge wins!!!!
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Demon-Xanth
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8/30/2001
08:53:53
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The fact that he refused to tell you tends to indicate that something isn't stock. There's a remote possibility he was on the bottle.
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alex
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8/30/2001
09:28:38
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We've got a guy here in Atlanta that shows up at the street racin scene in a Jeep Sahara Wrangler. He's sprayin his 4.0 L motor with about a 100 or 150hp NOS kit. It's scary fast and will beat quite a few stock Dakotas. Just a thought. Plus Mopar Performance also offers some hop-ups for the Jeep 4.0 engines. You never can tell. Guess that dude just got "scalped" by a Comanche........
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Jason O.
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8/30/2001
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You may be counting out the 4.0L to soon. Its a great engine. I had one in my 90 cherokee and it beat many of cars in its time. It was great TQ. That being said it may just be a fair fight betwen a lighter 4.0L Comanche and a 4.7L heavier Dakota. And yes a 5.9L would make a kick ass Jeep. In fact I own one!
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BMac
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8/30/2001
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HA HA HA HA AH AH HA HA HA HA,
I had an '89 Comanche that I put a modified 318 into. Easy job. I also had a 727 trans and a Dodge rear axle with 2.93 gears and this thing would GO!
The curb weight of a Jeep Comanche is 2900lbs. I put mine on a scale at a garbage transfer station and it weight 3500lbs with 1/2 tank fuel and me in it.
This thing would squak the tires hard going into second gear @ 50mph.
I now have a '98 Dak Sport with a 5.2auto ext.cab and it might just be a match. The Jeep had problems getting air in because of the intake I had on it and under hood heat but MAN it was FUN!!!
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jesse t
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8/30/2001
17:16:15
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Yeh the other night i was at the street races and there was a 5.9 jeep cherokee 4x4 and it was all stock and it was smoking cameros and mustnags and pretty much any thing that went agenst it, i later talked to the guy and told him to check out speed tweeks . net , but that jeep had me tripping all night. oh yeah it was an automatic
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Bob
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8/30/2001
19:12:36
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Looks like this thread is going to grow,Jeep 4.0 do run very good for a engine that has powered 60s Ramblers for AMC.
I had a 97 4.0 Ranger that beat two 4.0 Cherokees and I know that Ranger wouldn't even come anywhere close to my 4.7 CC Dak.I have driven thousands of 4.0 Jeeps at work over the years,they well last for ever if taken care of and well take one h*ll of a beaten.
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Hersbird
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8/30/2001
21:38:41
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Accurate power makes a 4.6 stroker kit as well as a supercharger kit for the 4.0 I-6. Even the stroker kit with accesories in a 2wd Comanche would run low 14's the supercharger would go 13's. The guy there has a Wrangler that goes wheels up with ease with the setup and no parts breakage. If done right the stoker kit w/o the supercharger could be made to look completely stock and still take the Dakota, of couse there are stroker kits for the Dakotas as weel that could look completely stock...
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Bob
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8/31/2001
03:44:12
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Very true,if you got the money and someone that knows what they are doing,most anything is possible.
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blueballs
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9/01/2001
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At least is was a truck in the same family. Could have been worse, by some (very) slim chance it chould have been some other mid-size.
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Chris
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3/05/2002
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You dodge people are funny. How many of you actually think you know something about that piece of overpriced junk in your driveway. The Jeep truck probably beat that Dakota(I hate when you people say Daks) out of pure skill. I will give it that you people have bigger motors(in some cases) but you gotta give that(especially the newer 4.0l Jeeps) will beat you off the line(yes, because of deeper gears) and by the time most of you even notice it you've lost. Not to mention they're lighter and can get traction better. I'd like to see any of you come up to me and try to race, I'll even tell you what I have, I've got no reason to hide that my vehicle is better: 2001 Jeep TJ Sport = 4.7l stroker(not the dodge motor for the less then mechanical dakota owners) w/ supercharger, 5 spd NP3550 HD std trans, Dana 44 rear w/ 4.11R&P and a locker, Dana 30 front...I've got a little over 35 thousand invested in this and I've got more to show then you people who went out and bought your $28 thousand+ dollar trucks. When will you people learn that just because you have a truck, you don't own the road...come up against me and I'll prove it to you. Be on the lookout for a Sienna jeep that'll tear you up on and off the road and make you look like a little girl.
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scat pack
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3/05/2002
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Sorry Chris, but I only paid 23K for mine and I just smoked my friends 4.0 Cherokee with factory tubular headers with my auto tranny DAK ! just imagine if I threw 12K in mods at it. Some of those old jeep p'ups came with AMC 360's and it's not unusual to see one with a built Chevy small block, thats my guess as to why he wouldn't pop the hood.
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ALEX
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3/05/2002
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That's funny. A $35,000 jeep.... Heh.
I paid $20,000 and I got the 4.7L with a 3.55 trac-loc rear and a NV 3500 too. I bet if I had spent $15,000 more on this truck I could whip your sorry TJ-girlie a$$ all the way to Hell & Back. With better gas-milage, a faster ET and handling to boot. I will bet you $15,000 that I could do all that and more.
Bring your p*ssy Sienna Jeep and we'll just see about it, you c*cksucker!
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fourgivn1
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3/05/2002
17:07:20
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Uh, your vehicle by itself is no faster than any other vehicle of the same kind. It's all the other stuff you put into it that made it faster. Hell, if I invested 35 grand in my truck it'd be one fast truck too. If you are throwing 35 grand at your jeep, that's not a hobby...that's an obsession. I have better things to do.
Current mods: A MUFFLER. That's it. (For now.)
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DAK Attack
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3/05/2002
17:48:18
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Just for Chris:
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2002
17:54:00
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Chris is a schlepp. Who dumps that much money into the wrong stuff for a wheelin' vehicle. What? Are you going to tow a boat while you're rock-crawlin'? Oh wait, your SC would overheat. I have over 45 grand in vehicles/upgrades and have a much higher percentage to 'show' for my investments.
Ok...for all of you jeep owners, don't wave at Chris. Get off of a forum you don't own a vehicle in. Chris is full of $hit and will soon grow-up to understand he is far from reaching the top.
YJ
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handi2
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3/05/2002
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Nobody knows what was inside the engine bay of that jeep. My point is....all this speculation is just speculation. It could have been a small block 500hp chevy or a twin turbo 4 cylinder. It doesn't matter.
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2002
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I'm sorry I enjoy my vehicle. It is not an obsession and how I spend my money is not your peoples concern, I probably shouldn't have mentioned it. I knew I would be bad talked on a crappy "dak" board, but I stand by what I said, and I know my jeep could kick most of your asses on and off the road.
To YJ: what...? would you rather have me spend money on a crawler box, HEAVY axles, a huge lift and tires and a giant V8 that I won't need anyways on the trail, I have done less then 1000 miles offroad in the total mileage since I put in the stroker, its not worth it! Maybe if I offroaded daily I'd consider it. A STOCK jeep can rock crawl better then most modified rigs and my suspension(stock) is 100 times better then that of a YJ(assuming your name meant Jeep YJ). If you don't believe me that Jeeps are the best stock rig for offroading, I'm sure you can find some people with higher reputations then me to tell you I'm right.
To scat pack: To the best of my knowlege I do not believe that ANY jeeps came with more then cast exaust manifolds. And while it is true they came with so many buick to chevy to ford to dodge motors it wasn't even funny...you will not find a late 80's or early 90's jeep truck with a factory V8....at least that I've ever heard, but I guess anythings possible.
To ALEX: I'll bet your just a cocky little teenager who is driving daddys Dakota aren't you. If you really need to know I spent $24,000 on my jeep from the factory, and I've invested around $35 total. Ya know, people like you always say "if I would have this or if I could have that or if I had done this differently" and all I can say to you is: thats not my problem, you people all got on here badmouthing jeeps and I'm just saying put up or shut up. We don't have the same vehicle obviously, if we did we wouldn't be having this message board argument, but as long as you are gonna whine about what you don't have then your just pathetic. All I'm saying to all these other people(ALEX excluded) is my jeep can more then run with your dodges, so give them the respect they deserve(They're all made by the same damn parent company and they all share certain things) but as for you Alex.....I sure hope your daddy doesn't take the keys away from you and make you drive the family taurus. But, it is good to know that I really must have made you mad to post like that.....
Thanks for most of the decent responses that were different but not offensive, for those of you who are all upset right now.....don't worry, eventually your lease will be up and maybe you can buy something better.....like a JEEP! : )
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/07/2002
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Guess what Senor Diablo Pendejo? You oughtta watch what you assume. I'm 30 years old, this is my 2nd (hard-earned) Dakota and I'll be paying it off this October (six months early on a 3 year loan). Dad had nothing to do with it, you Twinkie Little Prick. All I'm saying is (All I was ever saying is) that if I had invested $35,000 in ANY vehicle it would obviously outrun a god_damn pickup truck.
Personally I think anyone who paid $24,000 for ANY Wrangler from the factory is already a moron, but then to invest $35,000 more is even worse off than a moron. They are stupid beyond words. I can only assume you stroked the inline 6-cyl to get 4.7L out of a stroker motor (WHY?) unless you decided to spend your $35,000 boring and stroking a lawn mower motor (lemme guess... it's a 4.7L Briggs & Stratton alcohol motor). You may be king of the road in ButtF*ck Arkansas, but one thing that makes me sick is people who just throw their credit card up on the counter top and say "Make it faster."
I bet you didn't turn a single wrench on that silly ass Wrangler, so don't go spoutin' off about how you can run with anybody.
And one last thing.... there are only two types of people who drive Wranglers here in Atlanta: Gay guys and sorority girls. Any MAN worth his sh!t knows the only Jeep to own is a CJ.
So, bring it, don't sing it, there Jacka$$.
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scat pack
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3/07/2002
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Chris - time to do a little more research ? Note he didn't say jeep was late 80's or newer. There's a mid 80's with factory 360 where I work and the knucklehead who owns it is constantly asking me what's wrong with it (plenty) ! And yes, some 4.0's came with factory tubular headers. And no, it didn't beat me off the line or anywhere else. You came to the wrong site to slam our Daks.
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
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3/07/2002
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Chris,
You are quite right as stated in your previous response...I am truly certain there are people with higher reputations than yourself. As for your spending habits being none of our concern, perhaps following your own advice, before announcing to our forum of your hypocritical nature, would be the most intelligent approach.
If you'd like to come to Washington to crawl with my coil-converted YJ, you're certainly not welcome to. I would, unfortunately, find it a sincere waste of time winching you up the mountain-side to say nothing of your obvious lack of skill in the arena.
Stock TJ with a few idiosyncratic modifications, to the vehicle AND the driver of course, would have problems wheeling against the majority of us on this forum....in our girlfriends' 4-door sedans.
Now Chris, you have proven that we could all purchase you and your 386sx20, with 2mb of 100ns RAM, right from your parents' home so why don't we explore the real issue here. Your parents' were NEVER allowed to touch you there. Chris, I realize these aren't the only problems you're facing in this cruel world where people of an honest, moral character and purity of thought (dak owners) rule. Nevertheless, we are here for you. We are doing our best to understand. Scat Pack, Alex, Handi2, DakAttack, Fourgivn1, and many others on our beloved dodgedakotas site are here for you...myself included. Even with our frustration in finding the stem of the pubescent hatred you have for us, the proverbial 'shoulder' will always be there to cry on. Release your suffering of owning a stock height wrangler and you'll soon see clearly as the day you were born. We will find a Dakota that is right for you.
With DodgeDakotas' sincerest concern,
YJ
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/07/2002
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Here, here! What he said......
My sentiments exactly.
Oh- and no hard feelings about rippin' you a new arse, eh? Good, then.
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Chris
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First off Alex I didn't spend $35,000 more on my jeep, I spend $35,000 TOTAL(and I can more then afford what I do so my spending habits are no ones business but mine). So for your math lesson today here you go: 35,000-24,000 equals $11,000 additional invested, or better yet 24,000 + 11,000 equals $35,000 TOTAL. Only a Dodge owner would HAVE to spend that much to have a vehicle that can 1/4 mile in under 19 secs(I know I'm gonna get in trouble for that joke, ha) Secondly I did most of the Fxcking motor work and had Willard Machine in town do the rest, so don't tell me I didn't turn a damn wrench on the bastard. Also, why don't you bend the fxck over and I'll show you how gay I am you little $hit. Why would I buy a 16 year old CJ(at least) that won't be as reliable as my TJ. Oh, by the way Alex, I'm 20 and I feel sorry for your 30 year old dumb ass....grow up you fxcking loser.
Scat Pack: ya know, fxck you too. I tried to be decent about giving you the fact I didn't know but you could be right, but you couldn't leave good enough alone...so fxck you.
YJ: Maybe you should call hooked on phonics and learn how to read. No, maybe I couldn't beat your coil converted YJ, since most coil kits offer 5+ inches of lift and great articulation, but I know my TJ could spank any Dakota on the trail. I still feel sorry for your crappy jeep, since even if you do have an inline six or better I hope you do have or didn't keep your stock crappy jap AX-5 or AX-15...but don't worry, when your tranny fails while you try to climb that rock hopefully you won't roll your piece of $hit...but I guess you probably won't have to worry about that because I bet your one of those dumbasses who lift their vehicle sky high and don't even offroad it, aren't you?
Alex again....no, of course no hard feelings, I just think your a little prick...but thats ok, I have no hard feelings towards anyone here.
Hey, you find me that perfect Dakota, and I'll rip that motor out and throw in a SB chevy.
Oh, about about that Arkansas thing....no, I'm not from the south. I'm from where you people still think indians roam the plains.....so that would make me what...A redneck farmboy? Well, ya know what then, I'm a redneck farmboy who probably makes more money then you, so I'm going to keep spending it on my Jeep and bike and whatever else I choose.
Ya know, I guess 3/4+ of the offroading world and most all offroaders must be wrong in choosing jeeps for their trail rigs, cause only queers and girls drive em huh? I see it so clearly now, thanks!
Holy Shxt this is a long post. This has been a lot of fun, thanks everyone, maybe I'll write y'all back tomorrow.
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YJ
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3/07/2002
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Now, now Chris...we're trying to work with you here but this type of infantile behavior just won't cut it on the Dak board. We can all see your frustration and anger in the baseless previous post and we're going to just let it go seeing it's something even a 'special' child like yourself wouldn't say. Again, we're willing to help. We all are. But you're going to have to place the little potty-mouth aside so all of us Dak owners can help you get through this.
Don't worry...we're going to stick with you through the end, especially being the special/disabled person you are. No one will leave you behind.
Now get some rest and we'll start our lesson once again tomorrow.
Sleep well.
With tender care,
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Chris
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3/08/2002
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I am truly sorry YJ, please forgive me for my potty mouth, I was simply copying the superior ALEXs tones and phrases because I feel the first step to becoming part of a decent reputable society is to copy off people who own dakotas.
Please help me, don't give up on me, I am just an infintile(sp?) post-teen driver. Maybe in time I can actually go test drive a 'Dak' and eventually be worthy of owning one of my own.
I guess I really must say that I really am sorry about the previous post, no joking around at all. Most of the language wasn't appropriate and I don't imagine you will take any point I make seriously if I'm constantly posting mad inappropriate stuff with it.
Either way, I am sorry. G'night y'all!
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