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044.7
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7/23/2005
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Hell, I would've bought a GMC a year ago but they were just too damn expensive. I think the Sierra is a nice looking truck.
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STS
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7/23/2005
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I agree, Both the new F-150 and the Sierra are the best styled trucks out there.
Ok bowtie
"I own a Dak I love my truck for what it is little truck some what BIG ENGINE but I willnot sit here and tell I think DC makes the best powertrains I believe GM dose" Well I can't speak for DC by I do know that Chrysler made engines that GM nor Ford could never duplicate in durability. You ever seen 200K miles on a 305?? how many 350's have you seen go over 200K miles?? I'm sure theres a few. But my 318 in my Dakota has over 200K miles and still runs and still pulls strong.
As for 0HC motors. I disagree. Ford's 5.4L puts out more towing power than both the vortech 5300 and 6000 engines. Look at the toruqe curve on the new 3v 5.4. 90% of the toruqe is a 1000 RPM.
What about DOHC. Well both Toyota and Nissan uses the technology in there fullsize trucks and look at the power output. The Titan has the most towing power of any fullsize 1/2 ton truck.Check out the specs for youself.
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upsetboetie
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7/25/2005
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I am not saying that a OHC engine is a disadvantage in power but rather a waste in space. I was a DC tech until 2002 and I can tell you for a fact a 5.9 or a 5.2 are much easier to work on than a4.7 in a dak because of more room. As for a 5.4 Ford I have no experience with the 3 valve but I can tell you from experience that a 5.3 will eat the 2 valve up, also look at the external size of the engine it,s bigger than a 460. All I,m saying is in a truck where you don't want a bunch of revs an, OHC is a waste of space and apparently DC and GM agree with me.Oh and bowtieyour@ss you should stop and think about the fact that a small cam lower CR LS6 would make a pretty good truck engine being it,s a 6 bolt main forged crank and very well balanced. But we weren't talking about that and now most truck engines have alum. heads and a lot of diesels do to so maybe you should write Detriot Diesel or Isuzu or CAT and tell them that alum. dosn't hold up, bring your mind out of the 60,s.And I put a 4.6 in one of my fleet vehicles about 5 months ago that threw a rod ,connecting rod that is.I will disagree with you forever about a well maintained alum. block not holding up, remember most of your alum blocks use STEEL liners for the clynders the only time alum is worst than castFE is when you over heat it. Also detonation is not as bad with alum because it tansfers the heat better and you don't end up with as much of a tendancy for hotspots in the Combustion Chamber. Oh and by the way some of the highest heat applications I can think of use alum blocks and heads, most air cooled engines including aircraft engines they seem to hold up fine with no radiator hum someone should tell them thier junk is going to melt down anytime now, sucks to be them. Now before your dumb@ss gose to calling someone an Idiot you should know something about them first I am a Dual ASE master tech in Automotive, and Medium/Heavy Duty Truck and also have 2 ASE engine machinest certs. Sometimes some people on the web take these friendly conversations and turn them into attacks on people, those of you that do are acting childish.
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yup
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7/25/2005
16:42:44
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I agree with what some of you are saying but...
I don't agree with the guy that said GM makes better engines than Dodge. It's hard to say how these newer engines will hold up, only time will tell. So I'll wait another 5-10 years before I pass judgment on these newer engines. But let's look at history...
Keep in mind I've owned 6 GM products and many more mopars over the years and I'm only speaking from my own experiance.
For example, compare the longevity of a Chevy 2.0 4 cylinder (1980's) to that of a 2.2 dodge. I've owned both and I'll tell you the dodge 2.2 will easily outlast a chevy 2.0 and yes the 2.2 is OHC too. I got 68k out of the chevy 2.0 before it puked (bought it new in a '89 cavilier). On the other hand, I ran a '86 2.2 dodge charger 185k before trading it, still going strong.
Same deal with a chevy 305 (caprice classic) that needed rings at 78k compared to my 318 (ram) that had 216k on it when I sold it.
The 350 chevy I had in my camaro Z28 needed rebuilt at 85k and the one in my Vette needed overhauled at around 70k (very low oil pressure due to main bearing clearances). In comparison, my old 74 barracuda with a poor old tired 318 was running great with 135k on it when I sold it.
And lets talk about 6 cylinders. Compare a mopar slant six to a chevy straight six...not even close for the Chevy 6 in longevity.
And as for V6's I got over 300k out of a 90 dodge dynasty with a 3.3. Try that with a V6 chevy celebrity. I will say though I'd stay away from the mitsu V6's dodge sometimes used in the 90's due to bad rings and other problems.
Now any of you old timers may recall, back in the 60's and 70's what big blocks were more likely to spin bearings? Was it the chevy 396 or the dodge 383? chevy 427 or dodge 440? hint:bowtie
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upsetboetie
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7/25/2005
18:37:59
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I will not argue with you on the 2.0 or the 2.2 GM 4 cyl they are junk, and early 60 degree V-6 GM's too. But the 305 was a good engine I have an overhead 89 C-1500 with a 305 in my fleet with 223K and hasn't had the valve covers off. I have had many 305's last over 150K before the state finaly replaced them. I have 7 GMC K-2500's with 350's between 89-99 4 are TBI engines and 3 are L-31 Vortechs, no problems with the TBI 350s and one is about to roll over 200K the Vortechs you can plan on putting a intake gasket on every 80K but other than that no problems. I have 2 K-3500,s with Vortech 454's been good engines if you can feed them. I have 6 K-2500s with 6.5 diesel these are my problem children they are JUNK everything from Inj. pumps to streched head bolts, tranny's are great though 0 problems from any of my 4L80E's. I've got 2 Blazer's with 4.3's both are 00s one I've had to put int gaskets on other I'm expecting to shortly, this is the only chronic GM engine problem I have found besides a little piston slap first thing on crankup on most 95 up GM engines. Now that being said in 99-01 Dodge had the state bid and they got 7 2500 4X4 with 360,s those years. Let me start by saying I like 5.2s and 5.9s and the engines have been pretty care free other than front cover leaks Intake gaskets my highest milage one is around 110K but my problems start behind the flexplate I don't believe there has ever been a bigger piece of trash of a trans put in a fullsized truck than a 47RE THEY ARE JUNK 4 have had the trans rebuilt already. I also have 4 older Dodges as overheads 2 are 84 150 shortbed 4X4s with 318s and one is a 86 350 flatbed 2wd with a 360 and one is a 350 4X4 with a 360 and a 4spd all of these trucks are bullet proof some are serious dogs though. I also have 10 Fords with 7.3 powersrokes in F-250 4X4 and F-550s 4X4 these have been awsome trucks no worries makes me happy. Then comes my 3 6.0 powerstroke F-250 4X4 I hope they figure out all the defects before the warranty runs out if not I may quit these things are TROUBLE. Enough with work, my personal truck is a 04 Dak QC with a 4.7 4X4 with an auto I am sweating the sludge problem DC has been having I wish I would of bought an 03 5.9 Dak. I can tell you there is truth to DCs sludge problem 2.7s,3.5s and I have not seen a totaly sludged up 4.7 but back when I was working at a Dodge dealer I saw a few that had some sludge begining to form but I figured it was poor upkeep until I changed my buddies cams and I found sludge in his not bad. He is good on his upkeep and he uses Penzoil. I on the other hand use Mobil 1so maybe I'm ok. I has been my experience as a crazy old redneck that a small block chevy holds up best to me I had a 97 Chevy K-1500 with a Vortech 350 and a 5spd that had 184K when I traded it, it burnt no oil and held 35 psi at idle hot. I owned a 01 Silverado 1500 4X4 with a 4.8 that had 153k when I traded it for my Dak. This is my first Dodge I have ever owned and I love my truck but it feels like it is not as well tuned as my last 2 Chevys. They did a poor job with the trans shift parameters.
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