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5/17/2005
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Thought this was pretty interesting. You wonder if they were just crappy ball joints in the first place (like the Dakota problem), and it's being covered up as a "scratch on the surface of the ball joint that happened during manufacturing." Anyways, here's the article:
"WASHINGTON - Toyota Motor Corp., in one of its largest safety recalls ever, said Tuesday it is recalling more than 750,000 pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles because of problems with the front suspension that could hinder steering.
The company said the recall covers 774,856 vehicles in the United States, including the 2001-2004 model years of the Tacoma, the 2001-2002 versions of the 4Runner and the 2002-2004 model years of the Tundra and Sequoia.
Toyota said the surface of a ball joint which connects to the front suspension may have been scratched when it was manufactured, which could lead to wear and tear over time."
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Joe.C
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5/18/2005
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Alot of could's and maybe's in that recall. I haven't heard of or seen any reports of ball joint failure due to this problem.
Dodge on the other hand knowingly built into it's vehicles a part it knew from the NHSTA and it's own supply chain was defective. Yet Dodge did not issue a safety recall and when ordered to recall vehicles with the defective design balljoint, chose instead to do the job piecemeal and recall only a small majority of the affected vehicles.
That show's you the difference in corporate values between DAimlerChrysler GmBH and Toyota. No wonder Toyota is on track to becoming the worlds largest vehicle manufacturer.
I know my next vehicle will be a Toyota.
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ricardcapecod
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2005
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The explanation for the recall (from toyota), was that they have found 6 (six) defective ball joints with this scratch on them.
It is incredible how the same problem, (Dakotas ball joints) may show how careful, respectful, responsible and honest a car maker can be, and how others preffer to be so opposit to it.
I love to remember that DC replaced my left and right, upper and lower ball joints and control arms 3 times under warranty and reimbursed me for the replacement of the upper BJ due to the recall. (4 times all together).
I replaced the top ones w/ Moog on the next day after the recall, so i could choose the parts and the shop to do it before the dealers were able to, and again, they paid.
It is incredible how much money DC spends to save 2 or 3 dollars on a decent part.
Finally, my hat goes out to Toyota and be it an exemple to all car makers.
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wondering
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2005
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Hey, Joe, I thought you just got a Sierra.
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JJ
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5/18/2005
08:23:49
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You don’t have to possess a master’s degree in mechanical engineering to realize that moving parts need to be lubricated. The Dakota problem, as I understand it, is water is able to enter the ball joint and wash out the factory “lifetime” lubrication. A simple, and very cheap, grease fitting would allow the grease to be replenished and eliminate the problem. Unfortunately, Chrysler and other manufacturers decided that grease fittings are no longer in the budget or are necessary. It’s not only ball joints, it’s other suspension and steering components as well as sealed wheel bearings and U joints that can no longer be lubricated. Unfortunately, any of these components suddenly failing are not only expensive to repair (if the warranty is no longer in effect), but can be deadly. If you lose a wheel or the ability to steer, you and other drivers in the vicinity may be in serious trouble. With all of the safety items that are now mandated by the government, maybe they should mandate the ability to lubricate vital components so that the chance of losing a wheel or losing a drive shaft on a high speed, crowded interstate is greatly reduced.
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hmmmm
Dodge Dakota
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5/18/2005
19:56:26
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OK, time for a reality check here….
This has been an on going problem with Toyota trucks for the past few years. Just like Dodge or anyone else Toyota dragged their feet kicking and screaming under pressure form the NHTSA till they finally did something about it. Here’s an old link when the NHTSA was investigating them a while back:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040824-110539-3260r.htm
After reading that you can see that Toyota knowingly let their Tundra owners drive on faulty ball joints for at least 3 years before bowing down to pressure…who’s that sound like??? Hmmm??? Now many more Toyota vehicles are involved. Now Toyota says that they “found scratches on their ball joints”. Sounds like typical cover-your-ass damage control to me. They make it sound like they took prompt action…lol.
Quoted from the old article: “NHTSA opened its original investigation on Toyota Motor Corp.'s 2002 Tundra pickup trucks based on three reports of ball joint failure in the front suspension, which caused the suspension to collapse and resulted in a loss of control of the vehicle. Some drivers lost the ability to use their front brakes after the suspension collapsed. NHTSA said Toyota had 28 warranty claims for lower ball joint wear, and 15 complaints of separation of the joint. One separation resulted in a crash.” Far from just scratches….
Here’s a great Toyota site with lots of happy owners. See what these owners have to say about Toyota and recalls: http://groups.msn.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution/_whatsnew.msnw
I think Toyota needs to have a brake recall next on their Tundra’s, check this out:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra_brakes.html
Consumer Affairs – Toyota Tundra customer complaints:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra_misc.html
Consumer Affairs – Toyota Tundra engine problems:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra_engine.html
Toyota owners petitioning Toyota Motor Corporation concerning engine sludging:
http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html
BTW, just for the record, GM has more recalls than any other manufacturer.
Let the trolls begin…
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deerridge
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5/19/2005
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I took mine in for the replacement upper ball joints. It was all working fine and I have them inspected everytime I change the oil by a reputable mechanic. They replaced them and tried to sell me new tie rod and ends for $359, the parts are about $50 from Auto Zone, life time warranty I might add. I declined the tie rods and took it home. They nearly ruined my front tires by not aligning it right. Took it back, they decided the left lower ball joint was gone too, price up to $659. Auto Zones $45 joint is $93 at the dealer. See a pattern here. They do have a nice new facility though and lots of friendly repair reps out front. Can you say ripoff!
Real Horsepower
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ToyBoy
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2005
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If any of you beleive Toyota treats it's customers better than anyone else, including Dodge you are mistaken. Check this site and see what these Toyota owners have to say:
http://groups.msn.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution/datelinenbcrequestforinvestigation.msnw
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Funny
Dodge Dakota
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5/22/2005
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But if you actually take the time to read the posts, or should I say bitches, you can easily see that it's just a bunch of brainless fukk wits whining because they are stupid. For example, the first post is from some kunt whose car got repo-ed after she neglected it. A 1996 repo-ed in 2003? What a fukking loser. The next one again is a maintenance failure at 80k miles. Same with the next one.
Those posts do nothing to impune the initial quality and reliability of Toyota vehicles. Not one of the posts speaks to build defects like the Dakota ball joint failure. The lowers on my 97 4x4 went at 1300 miles. That's too low a mileage to be from abuse or lack of grease. The uppers went 3 times in 80k. The transfer case cracked in half so I traded it in.
All your post does is help to illustrate that any vehicle left in the hands of morons and fukk wits will fail. Toyota's initial design and build quality remains the best in the automotive wotld. That is the biggest reason Toyota will soon be the worlds biggest auto maker and GM and Ford will be declaring bankruptcy.
Will Germany's DaimlerChrysler GmBH, maker of the Dodge Dakota be very far behind?
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lol
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5/22/2005
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So what you are saying is morons and fukk wits drive Toyotas.
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