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caulk04
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10/09/2004
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I have an '02 CC 4x4 4.7 and will be needing tires before too long. Stock RT/S Good-fora-Years seem to be OK, but wet traction seems pretty poor (may also be result from LSD and 4.7).
The previous owner seems to have spun the rears alot as when I purchased it, the rears were wore much more than the fronts.
My father has a '95 Ram that he has always put 285/75-16 Cooper Discover A/T's on and they wear well, have good on and off-road traction and are quiet as well.
I have read some about the Dueler A/T Revo's and they sound promising but I would like some real world input as to if I want to go with these instead.
BTW- I'm looking at stock 265/70-16 sizes only.
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2004
15:43:54
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How important is wet traction? How important is off-road capability? Most all terrain tires have a harder rubber compound for more aggressive driving off road which does poor on wet pavement. I just got a set of widetracks made by firestone/bridgestone. They have a softer rubber compound and do well in rain. I do not do as much off-road driving, and nothing very rough.
once you evaluate what your daily driving conditions will be, spend some time on the manufacturer website and look for a tire with the appropriate rating.
My '95 dakota came with the goodyear wranglers, no longer manufacturered. I have had the goodyear all terrains, and futura dakotas (cooper tires). The futura tires did not last long and wore out too easy. I have had the widetracks on for about 2 months now, rides quiet, great traction on pavement even wet. I have heard great reviews about the goodyear long trails - good all around tire.
- Dan M
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caulk04
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2004
17:39:38
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Primarily 'highway' driving, cruising down the road 50mi/day to/from work.
I would like some off-road capability, but nothing harsh.
Looking for an all around tire that is biased a bit for pavement, in any condition.
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Kowalski
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10/10/2004
08:59:06
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Have you considered Goodrich TAs ? I had the Duelers on a Toyota years ago and they don't compare well. We have the Discoverers on a half ton Chevy at work, and I've bailed them out plowing stuff with my truck that they couldn't on the Discoverers. Goodrich also runs pretty quiet on dry pavement, I wouldn't go with either of your choices.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2004
10:28:39
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Any "real" all terrain tire will be loud on the highway. If the tire comes with a milage warranty, it is NOT a real all terrain tire. Real All terrain tires are made with harder rubber to grip better on off road surfaces. Look into a good APT tire. These are designed for mostly pavement driving with decent off-road capability (tread pattern are usually the same as A/T's but not a large)
Check out some tires and their ratings.
Traction is rated on how well it stops on wet concrete and asphalt.
Grade A: The tire performed well on both surfaces.
Grade B: The tire performed well on at least one of the surfaces.
Grade C: The tire performed poorly on one or both of the surfaces.
Heat resistance:
Grade A: The maximum performance level indicating the tire withstood a half-hour run at 115 mph without failing.
Grade B: The tire passed 100 mph but not 115 mph.
Grade C: The minimum performance level indicating that the tire failed to complete a half-hour at 100 mph.
treadwear is based on standard rating of 100 so a
rating of 200 means it lasts twice as long - our course your milage will vary depending on driving habbits.
There is also a mud and snow rating
m/s, m+s, m&s.
There is really no set standard. M = mud and s=snow. If the tire is m/s or m&s or m+s then it is rated for mud and snow.
speed ratings:
N 87 mph Temporary Spare Tires
P 93 mph
Q 99 mph Studless & Studdable Winter Tires
R 106 H.D. Light Truck Tires
S 112 mph Family Sedans & Vans
T 118 mph Family Sedans & Vans
U 124 mph
H 130 mph Sport Sedans & Coupes
V 149 mph Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars
Z 149 mph+ (upper limit not establised)
W 168 mph Exotic Sports Cars
Y 186 mph Exotic Sports Cars
load index:
index lbs
71 761
72 783
73 805
74 827
75 853
76 882
77 908
78 937
79 963
80 992
81 1019
82 1047
83 1074
84 1102
85 1135
86 1168
87 1201
88 1235
89 1279
90 1323
91 1356
92 1389
93 1433
94 1477
95 1521
96 1565
97 1609
98 1653
99 1709
100 1764
101 1819
102 1874
103 1929
104 1984
105 2039
106 2094
107 2149
108 2205
109 2271
110 2337
P195/60R15 87S is load index of 87 (1201 lbs) and speed of "s" (112 mph)
hope this helps!
- Dan M
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Hammerdak
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2004
21:31:19
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First of all there is a world of difference between Dueler AT's and Dueler at Revo's. Kowalski may have had the former.
I've had the Revo's (31x10.5/ 15 ) on my 2001 QC 4x4 for 20,000 mi and like them alot.
Great handling and ride and for an AT pretty good on the road noise scale.
BUT, they will be replaced with Michelin LTX m/s when the time comes.
Why?
The Revo's are not as good on rain as I had hoped , but a heck of alot better than the Wrangler RTS's were.
The highway noise is more than the LTX's would give .
The LTX's on a previous truck gave me 60,000 mi and were only 60% worn when I sold it.
The Revo's look like 60,000mi is all they will give me based on current wear.
Sorry , no experience with Disco's.
Hope this helps a bit.
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caulk04
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2004
22:21:44
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Ahh...
Thanks much!
It may just end up which is more economical and/or looks. Going by your input and my known Discover's input, it seems close.
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Jason L
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2004
23:03:09
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I have REVO A/Ts 275/70 16 and they are great tires. I love them I just bought my second set after getting 50,000 of hard driving out of the first. I feel these are a higher quality tire than the coopers. I would put the two side by side and see for yourself.
2001 QC 4X4 4.7 85,000 mi
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ZenDak
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2004
12:41:17
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different tire,,but the Michelin Cross Terrains - Suck Big Time. Supposed to last like 60,000kMi.'s,,,I'm getting about 15-20k out of them. They are OK at best in the rain,,but that's w/100% tread,,,a few miles later and it's like having skids instead of tires. I'm hard on my tires,,but at $140-160 a pop,,they are definitely not worth it.
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BlkDakDave
GenIII
10/11/2004
21:38:14
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A year ago I opted for a set Michelin LTX m/s after checking out customer satisfaction on Tire Rack.com on several makes of tires. I am VERY happy with the Michelin's as they work great in all kinds of conditions. I've put 26,000 miles on them with very little wear. I looked at the REVOS and honestly was going to buy a set but they were on back order and were unavailable for 6 to 8 weeks. I have a couple of buds with REVOS and it's a good look tire with a more aggressive tread design. Check Tire Rack for customer satisfaction on what you’re looking to buy.
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