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Keith
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4/03/2004
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I have a 2002 and had to replace pitted rotors after only 18000 miles. Anyone else have the same problem?
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mrman
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4/03/2004
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The rotors on my 2000 Dakota weren't pitted, they were warped. I've read numerous posts regarding the poor quality of Dodge rotors and decided against having them turned or replaced with OEM rotors. I bought a set of Powerslot rotors and Hawk pads, they're MUCH better than stock parts. More stopping power and virtually NO brake dust on the front wheels.
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eddy
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4/03/2004
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Dont get me started. Mine were warped so bad you could see my steering wheel shaking and shimmy visibly from the passenger's seat. I got OEM ones put back on this time cause it was free. If it happens again any time soon and I can get another set free Ill do it. AFter that Ill get the best I can find aftermarket and install the kinds of components that should have been there from the factory.
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eddy
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4/03/2004
10:48:14
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By the way this was with 7900 miles on a 5 month old truck.
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M.O.P.A.R.
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4/03/2004
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I'm a tech. and our shop has seen lots of prob's with Chebby rotors:):):)$$$$$
No bad rotors on Mopars yet.
Mostly S-10 Blazers and Trailblazers and 1500's and 2500's and Yukons and... need I go on?
All rotted out.All 98-99' and up.
All less than 20,000 miles.
I also made at least $10,000 in the past 2 yrs.off of Ford rotors and ball joints.
When they designed the Expedition/Navigator,& some full size p/u's.
They made the hub O.D. too close to the rotor I.D.
on the front.After getting hot/cold/hot/cold
the Ford Rust welds the rotor to the hub.
I have broken perfectly good rotors into many pieces getting them off the hub.
We even had to cut the remains of a rotor off a hub with a torch!!!
We had to tell the customers "It may cost you $180
for the brake job if the rotors come off"
We then showed them the remains of a broken rotor.
"But it's usually about $600"
I LOVE FORD!!!!!
Dried out squeaky parts rule!!!
Navigator upper control arm/balljoint.
$300 installed.Takes about 1/2 hour.
Mopar or no car.
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Todd
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4/03/2004
22:55:56
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I had the same problem (warping) with the factory rotors, replaced them with Powerslot rotors and Hawk HPS pads. They stopped great from the begining, but the pads soon started squeeling badly and the rotors warped just like the OEM rotors. The problem is that the brakes on the pre 2002 trucks are just not adequate, and nothing is going to help short of a dramatic brake upgrade. I love my truck, but the brakes just plain SUCK.
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WipLash
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4/03/2004
23:10:24
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The rotors on the Gen3 are way too small for the weight of the vehicle and the wheel size. It will take a very good grade of steel to make a rotor for the Gen3 that won't warp. I put Carbon Metalic pads on my R/T when I bought it 8 months ago. I've put 9,500 miles on it so far without warping the rotors. That is the longest I've gone on a set of rotors on a Dakota. However, they are wearing excessively fast with the Carbon Metalics.
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WipLash
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4/04/2004
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Todd,
Are the 2003/4's different besides having the optional 4 wheel disc? Are they bigger? If so, can you swap calipers and rotors up front or do you also have to swap the steering knuckle?
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didja see?
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4/04/2004
10:20:14
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Little Ernhardt was on the race show yesterday and he was saying that they tend to warp and burn up rotors IF THE USE THEM TOO HARD. since that is true on a race car, why is "The rotors on the Gen3 are way too small for the weight of the vehicle and the wheel size." the problem? Is "It will take a very good grade of steel to make a rotor for the Gen3 that won't warp" it? no they brake manfr. had to use a softer brake disk because to use a harder one requires a soft pad. The softest but most usable pads contained LOTS of asbetoes. You wanna be the brake mechanic that breathes that stuff?
From your own admission that "9,500 miles on it so far without warping the rotors. That is the longest I've gone on a set of rotors on a Dakota." tells me you are waiting to the very last second to "hit the brakes" so far I have 74,000 on my 7 year old CC Dak and still have the original rotors, although I only got 54,000 on the original pads due to a left front caliper that bound and caused uneven compression on both sides, based on the rt side caliper it should have gone about 80,000 IF the left had not bound. Damm dude, I feel sorry for any one that buys a used vehicle from you, you know, all beat to crap and all!
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/04/2004
10:39:43
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I have been lurking for a while and just recently started to post.
It seems there is a good cross section of people and education on this board.
I am an engineering student (in my third year, non-traditional) and was wondering if anyone has thought of possibly fabricating their own rotors and what material would be recommended?
I have turned my rotors twice in less than 50,000 miles. I noticed that after a hard stop the pads would glaze then shortly after the rotors would warp. I also noticed that the rotors are of a soft material and that if the warpage is small but noticable that by toeing the brake pedal (intermittently) while traveling on the interstate I can 'true' the rotors.
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Mike Pa.
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4/04/2004
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The rotors on my 2001 Dakota Quad Cab 4x4 were pitted and could not be turned. This happen around 36,000 miles just out of waranty. The repair shop blamed it on the poor quality of metal used.
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WipLash
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4/04/2004
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didja-see,
Are you from Canada?
The reason I'm asking is because they outlawed Asbestos in this country over 10 years ago. No production or aftermarket brakes have asbestos anymore. Let me guess.... You just woke up from a 15 year coma.. J/K!! Nobody can take a joke.
And, unfortunenately, I do have to hit the brakes at the last second very often. It's called "red lights". They are unavoidable in a city that has a combined city limits and suburbs of over 1 million in population. I get off work at 5pm and if I go into town after work to buy groceries or something I have to hit my brakes about every 5sec. In fact, I'm on my brakes more than the gas. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes to go 1/2 mile (construction zones).
Some people live were there is little or no congestion. But for the rest of us that live in the real world, traffic congestion is unavoidable on a daily basis and we have to rely on our brakes to bring us to a quick stop. We don't have the luxury of coasting to a stop.
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joe_himself
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4/04/2004
19:52:45
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I dont see why people have so much trouble with thier brakes, i have put well over 50 thousand kms on my truck since i bought it in 2000 and ive only had to once replace my front brake pads, i havent even touched the rotors cause they were fine, Do you all not know how to use your brakes or are you stomping on them, One other thing it might be is the abs, i have mine disconected so my brakes dont pulsate, maybe that is the issue cause i have yet to have a problem with my rotors warping
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JimC
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4/04/2004
20:11:11
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I had problems with my rotors warping twice. Once when I replaced the front pads. That time the driver's front actually locked up. The second time was when I went to the 33" Swamper LTBs. I agree that the factory rotors are $hitty at best. A set of Powerslots later and one year with no problems. It is a problem because I personally know of 3 guys with the same problem.
01 QC 4wd 4.7 5-speed 33" Swamper LTBs
03 RC 2wd 4.7 5-speed
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eddy
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4/04/2004
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Considering I got 107 thousand miles out of the rotors on my 95 Ranger only turning them once, and they were still fine when the truck was traded last year, I would have to say yes, I most certainly know how to brake properly.
In fact I am much gentler now with how I brake with the Dakota than I ever was with the Ranger because it's a brand new truck and it wasn't cheap. My driving was 90% highway for the first 7900 miles I put on the truck, including a 300 mile round trip and a 1500 mile trip. My daily driving includes 20 miles of highway and 10 city. That adds up to over half of those miles being driven with practically no application of the brakes. And the rotors got so bad by 7900 miles that I could see them vibrating from the passenger seat. That is not driver error. That is crappy build materials, plain and simple. I might have had one panic stop in close to 8 thousand miles. And youve gotta be kidding me if I should accept having to replace my whole braking system every time I stop suddenly to avoid an accident.
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WipLash
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4/04/2004
21:47:16
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EDDY,
Thank You,
My sentiments exactly......
Since I've chosen the path of being a diehard Dakota enthusiast, I have had to modify my driving style considerably to accomadate the weak brakes that are on the Dakota.
I guess evryone has their issues with this truck. There are many people that have had ball joint failure. I never have. These people accuse me of pampering my truck. Yet, I have to have my rotors turned at least every 10K. The people that have no brake problems accuse me of driving the hell out of my truck. It would be hard to drive in such a manner as to preserve the balljoints and still destroy rotors left and right. Agressive driving hurts all of the components. I have 19K on my R/T and I already need new rotors and I am replacing the left front bearing/hub assembly Easter. I still have no ball joint problems.
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Ian
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4/04/2004
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Wiplash...on the post about balljoint failure you accuse those who have failure of poor driving style or something and claim there is no defect in the balljoint, how then do you explain both my front uppper balljoints needed replacing but my rotors are fine? You say "it would be hard to drive in such a manner as to preserve the balljoints and still destroy rotors left and right. Agressive driving hurts all of the components". Yet in the other post you conclude it is drive error that all these people are having ball joint problems...that is playing and simple insulting. Honestly, I would not know how to drive in a manner to hurt ball joints if I wanted too. I only had 15,000 miles on my new truck when the ball joints went bad, the only thing i did with my truck was use it for its intended use, driving on roads, it never did any towing or offroading, so explain to me how the ball joints are fine but driving style is what causes them to fail?
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WipLash
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4/05/2004
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IAN,
I've never had to replace a ball joint. What can I say? I replace rotors at least every 20K and I used to have them turned every 5K. That's why I made comments on the balljoint threads like "I can't imagine anyone having more suspension problems than me". "What are yah doing to these trucks to make the ball joints fail"....
I still would like to know the answer to that question. Every time I ask that question, all I get is a bunch of defensive comebacks and flames. Geeze...
Most people would not drive their car/truck down this road I have to go down every day. If anyone saw what I drive through everyday they would go into shock! I wouldn't be driving down this road except I work here so I have to. If I didn't work here I would stop and turn around. I could advertise for Dodge for the strength and durability they have on their suspension. All I would have to do is video record my trip to work and back one time and mail it to them.
I can't say the same for the rotors. They are junk!
I really don't care. I can get rotors all day for $30.00 a piece. That's pocket change! It takes me a whopping 30 minutes to swap rotors and pads out. For $100.00 and 30 minutes I can have brand new brakes. I'm really not complaning.
It's a joke really.
The only thing that bothers me about the brakes is that it prevents me from driving more agressively (that's a good thing). If the brakes could handle the stress I would dish it out.
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ubetcha
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4/05/2004
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Instead of buying OEM rotors, or powerslots, go to your local NAPA/Autozone/Pepboys, etc. and buy the el-cheapo chinese import rotors. These will be no-frills, un-alloyed, basic cast iron rotors. They will be much less likely to "warp" (rotors don't actually warp, but most people will not believe that it's really a metallurgical/chemical reaction of the brake pad material being deposited onto the rotor surface from holding the brakes on at a stoplight while the rotors are smoking hot. Instant chemical bond. Yeah, yeah, yeah I know, you...mic'ed them and can tell they are warped because they are thicker in spots. Thats the deposition of pad material, not warpage.) I'll wait for the flames from all the "experts" who have never even seen a metallurgical evaluation of fatigued metal before.
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eddy
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4/05/2004
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I could care less what causes it really. No acceptable reason whatsoever why the steering wheel on a vehicle that hasn'e even worn off its new car smell yet should be shaking violently enough to make my arms vibrate.
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WipLash
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4/05/2004
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ubetcha,
I have actually thought of that. I'm not sure if that is valid and I've never been able to find any research supporting that theory. I do believe the pads have a lot to do with warping. Of course, heat is the ultimate culprit in causing warping.
One piece of eveidence that supports your theory is that since I went to Carbon Metalic pads I have had no warping.
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