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NHDave01CC
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2/08/2004
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What coolant is everybody using? I'm getting ready to change the antifreeze on my 01 V6 and I was wondering if there's one that's better than the other.
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Dr. D
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2/08/2004
14:25:34
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I use the AMSOIL Anti-Freeze, it is a Propylene Glycol based product that is safer for the environment and non-toxic to children and pets.
Propylene Glycol coolants (often referred to as PG's) such as the AMSOIL Anti-Freeze are often the only coolant (other than plain water) that is allowed at some racetracks due to the fact that they do not make the track slipery if the coolant is spilled on the track surface like Ethylene Glycols (EG's) do.
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NHDave01CC
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2/08/2004
15:41:57
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Thanks, doc. I'll give Amsoil a shot.
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Flush
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2/08/2004
15:55:15
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Do you have to do some huge flushing before you go from EG to PG? Can bad things happen if the two meet?
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2/08/2004
16:53:18
| Amsoil Propylene Glycol Antifreeze Engine Coolant
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Helpful Info:
On another thread someone asked:
"Can someone tell me why does coolant have to be mixed with a 50/50 mix or a 60/40 mix when you can run almost 100% coolant? Won't 100% Coolant provide better protection?
My response was:
Why 100% coolant is not advisable:
Pure ethylene glycol freezes at about 0 F. It is more viscous (having a relatively high resistance to flow) than water, and has a lower heat capacity. It really doesn't make a good coolant. Adding water reduces the viscosity and increases the heat capacity, and lowers the freezing point vastly improving it as a coolant.
As far as I am concerned, the best material is propylene glycol mixed with water. It has many of the same advantages as ethylene glycol mixed with water without the toxicity.
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For instance,
Amsoil Propylene Glycol Antifreeze and Engine Coolant combines the benefits of biodegradability, low toxicity and all-climate protection. It is safer for kids and pets than ethylene glycol coolants, which are sweet tasting and extremely toxic. It offers improved protection against liner pitting, and offers resistance to corrosion of aluminum, iron surfaces and solder points.
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A 50/50 mix will usually protect the coolant sufficiently from freezing. In extremely low temperatures, 60/40 is advisable (depending on the manufacturer). If more than 60% coolant concentrate is added, the boiling point will be lowered, which is of course undesired.
The corrosion inhibitors in are also extremely important.
You should buy a coolant tester. You can get it at any automotive supply shop for a few dollars. You extract a little coolant out with the device, and it will tell you if the mix is correct.
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01Motorsport
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2/08/2004
17:25:22
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I switched from the factory orange antifreeze to the standard green type in my 2001 4.7 about 5 months ago. Some 30 gallons of straight water was flushed through the system before the new AF was added. So far, so good. I usually change the AF annually, which for me is 30,000 miles. I have gotten several opinions that the green type has better heat transfer properties, and the jury is out on the longevity of the orange type.
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12/04/2004
17:37:33
|  Antifreeze = AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant = Amzoil
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AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant is newly formulated to provide benefits far beyond those found in today's conventional antifreeze and coolant products. This revolutionary formulation provides maximum antifreeze and cooling protection in the most extreme temperatures and operating conditions. And unlike conventional ethylene glycol based products, which are highly toxic and even fatal, AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant is formulated with propylene glycol. It is biodegradable and requires no special disposal costs or procedures in most areas. Above all, its low toxicity presents no threat to children, pets or wildlife.
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Now, AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant provides even greater benefits:
Lasts Longer
AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant contains a proprietary poly organic acid technology. It eliminates the need for periodic changing or recharging of cooling systems. There is no need for supplemental coolant additives. AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant provides extended service life in all gasoline and diesel vehicles. It can be used for seven years or 250,000 miles in passenger cars, light-duty trucks, vans and recreational vehicles. It lasts seven years or 750,000 miles in over-the-road diesel trucks.
Compatible With Other Fluids
AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant is dyed neutral yellow and is compatible with all ethylene and propylene antifreeze and coolant formulations on the market, including DEX-Cool®, Sierra®, and Zerex®. It is also compatible with fully formulated diesel antifreezes and other organic acid technology (OAT) and hybrid organic acid technology (HOAT) formulations.
Stops Leaks
AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant adheres to metal. It self-seals hairline cracks in welds and seams to prevent leaks, without additional stop-leak products or fibrous materials.
Prevents Metallic Corrosion
Independent tests reveal AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant surpassed standards for metallic corrosion. It plates to metal to protect even when exposed to acids and salt spray. Standard allowances for loss in aluminum and solder are less than 60 mg. AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant lost 0 mg in aluminum and less than 6 mg in solder.
Standard for iron, steel, copper and brass allow a maximum loss of less than 20 mg. AMSOIL Antifreeze and Engine Coolant never exceeded 3 mg loss in any of those metals in a testing period that was run for 10 weeks, three weeks longer than required tests.
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Ratdog
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12/04/2004
19:47:31
|  Hey Steve Roark?
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Does the Amsoil Anti-freeze contain ANY silicates? I need silicate free for my motorcycle's system... that's why I'm asking.
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QuadRider
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12/04/2004
21:32:55
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If it's from Amsoil you can bet that it is silicate free just like their
previous coolant.
Amsoil PG coolants are used by many pro motorcycle race teams
and it cost about 1/3 the amount that other PG's do.
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QuadRider
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12/04/2004
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If it's from Amsoil you can bet that it is silicate free just like their
previous coolant.
Amsoil PG coolants are used by many pro motorcycle race teams
and it cost about 1/3 the amount that other PG's do.
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12/05/2004
08:32:04
| Antifreeze Winter Preparation = Amsoil Protection
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Ratdog,
QuadRider is correct. Thanks QuadRider for providing the answer.
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For everyone,
While we are on the topic of antifreeze, let me add the following:
Three Critical Concerns for Confident Cold Weather Travel
All vehicles need attention from time to time, but here in the wintertime your Dakota needs extra care. For confident winter starts, it is important to keep a watch on three critical areas: the lubrication system, the cooling system and the battery. Let's take a quick look under the hood to see if you're ready for the worst of Old Man Winter.
Check Your Motor Oil
It is important to check your motor oil levels on a regular basis. Without lubrication, friction between moving parts leads to engine wear.
But it is also important to think about the type of motor oil you are using. For severe cold, there is a significant performance difference between synthetic and conventional motor oil.
Cold weather is tough on engines because of the limitations of traditional lubricants. Motor oils and greases become thicker, thus slowing starting rpm, restricting oil flow to critical engine parts, increasing wear on bearings and rings, decreasing engine life, and increasing the burden on an already overtaxed starting system.
For really cold weather, only Synthetic Motor Oils and Lubricants offer the kind of performance that allows cars and trucks to start with ease. Many synthetic motor oils still flow or pump at temperatures up to sixty and seventy below zero (-60F to -70F)... and synthetics have a broader service range than traditional petroleum.
The admonition to check your motor oil is intended as a reminder to not only watch fluid levels, but to consider whether your motor oil is fulfilling its lubricating function in severe weather. No sense in being stranded on an isolated road because your engine couldn't turn over.
Check Your Antifreeze
If you are in a hostile winter region ... you are aware that inadequate antifreeze in the engine's cooling system can result in serious damage to your vehicle. When water freezes it expands, putting high stress on the corridors where it travels. A cracked engine block is not unlikely in extreme cold. Water pump failure and blown hoses are also common side effects from frozen cooling systems.
There are a number of relatively inexpensive antifreeze testers available for measuring the effective working temperature of your antifreeze. If you don't own one of these gauges, be sure to have the radiator fluid checked at your local service station to make sure it is suitable for severe cold temperatures.
In recent years there has been a growing awareness of the hazards associated with traditional Ethylene Glycol antifreeze. EG-based antifreeze is not only considered an environmental hazard and deadly for pets when spilled on the ground, it is toxic for children. What is especially bad is that Ethylene Glycol-based antifreeze has a sweet taste that invites animals and children to ingest it.
An alternative to Ethylene Glycol antifreeze is the new Propylene Glycol which is generally regarded as safe even in the event of accidental ingestion. In addition, it has an unpleasant taste, making it unlikely that animals or children will drink any appreciable amount. Propylene Glycol provides excellent protection against freezing, boiling and corrosion. In addition, the new AMSOIL Propylene Glycol Antifreeze is compatible with all other antifreeze products and does not require a complete system flush before usage.
Check Your Battery
The ideal operating temperature of your car battery is 80 degrees F. As temperatures drop, so does the efficiency of the battery. In very cold weather, the battery's power output can be diminished to as little as ten percent.
What's more, as batteries age their strength is further reduced. When it is very cold and your older battery has lost a measure of its cranking capacity, you have a situation where it may not have the power to turn over the engine.
Cold winter starts are harsh. If the motor oil is not fluid, and the battery worn down, you may want to have your cellular phone handy in case you need to call for help.
In Conclusion ... Be Prepared
It never hurts to be prepared, as the Boy Scouts are fond of saying. Even when you follow these routine maintenance checks it is still wise to stock the usual survival supplies as standard procedure for your vehicle - shovel, bag of sand or grit, toolbox, jumper cables, fuel de-icer additive, large flashlight and road flares. Extra blankets, clothes, food, fluids and a first aid kit are a life insurance policy that you hope you won't ever need, but sometimes can't afford to be without.
Good snow tires, and a few seasons of experience driving on slippery roads also helps ... and knowing when not to attempt driving at all.
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*** WINTER PREPARATION = AMSOIL PROTECTION ***
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Ratdog
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12/05/2004
09:52:44
| QuadRider, Steve... thanks
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for the get back. Mucho appreciated.
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Dan M
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12/06/2004
12:37:14
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What is the recommend change interval for the amsoil stuff?
- Dan M
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12/06/2004
13:32:36
| Antifreeze Winter Preparation = Amsoil Protection
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Dan,
It was in my earlier post:
AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant Lasts Longer
AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant contains a proprietary poly organic acid technology. It eliminates the need for periodic changing or recharging of cooling systems. There is no need for supplemental coolant additives. AMSOIL Antifreeze & Coolant provides extended service life in all gasoline and diesel vehicles. It can be used for seven years or 250,000 miles in passenger cars, light-duty trucks, vans and recreational vehicles. It lasts seven years or 750,000 miles in over-the-road diesel trucks.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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