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andys1960
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2/03/2004
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there are alot of discussions on this site about oil and extended drains.I have always changed my oil every 3000 miles .I am trying to accept the extended drain concept.we hear alot about test data on the oil and i do believe amsoil is a good oil .but i would like to hear from some people that have used extended drains .how many miles have you put on your vehicle using this concept?also has anyone ever took one of these engines apart if so was it clean or gummed up inside?
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2/03/2004
06:54:33
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andys1960,
I know that you have read my many posts on www.DD.com and we have even exchanged emails --- so I won't bore you with the same information here (yet) since you have already read most of it, but I will later in the week for all of the new visitors.
For one referral --- there is a member on this site --- his name is Artie and his member name is BigBlue QC. I have spoken with Artie via email on many occassions and he will be more than happy to answer your questions. His email is artie.haglich@whihomes.com
I don't think that he will mind if you send him an email --- and I will send him one asking him to post here to address any of your concerns.
As for myself --- I have been using Amsoil for 10+ years --- in a multitude of vehicles --- using extended drain --- 2 - 3x manufacturers recommendations --- changing the oil once a year and the filter every six months --- with never a problem. Keep in mind that I average only 12k - 14k miles per vehicle, per year.
I have used Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF --- with excellent results --- Amsoil Gear Lubes --- and 100:1 2-cycle oil --- same results --- excellent.
I know you think I am biased so I will stop here.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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2/03/2004
07:05:29
| Amsoil Synthetic Extended Oil Drains
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andys1960,
Here is a quote on this site from BigBlueQC:
"I have had AMSOIL everything in my truck since 4000 miles(68000 on truck now) With Oil Analysis done every 10000 miles, everything is doing fine. Have gone about 18000-20000 between actual oil changes, changing filter at or around 12000 miles. They have me convinced. Have AMSOIL in girlfriends 96 vette(LT1), she drives it hard as far as real life goes, only runs for about 15 minutes in the morn and 15 minutes to go home. Engine never really warms up. The oil was in for almost a year, had it analyzed, it came back as if it had barely been in the engine at all"
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Another referral is Larry of J & J Auto. Everyone on this site has read some of Larry's VERY helpful advice. Larry uses Amsoil.
Here are two quotes from Larry of J & J Auto
(hope you don't mind Larry):
"I run all Amsoil, Eng, trans, rear's I even grease it with the Amsoil grease with moly and to this day 86,000 miles have not had to replace any front end parts. It does seam to help purformance, gas milage is hard to tell I have so many mods and am stroked.
I would say yes the oil is worth the money. If you think about it and read the history of were
it was used and developed. It kept all the jet engines with there major stress and heat alive it sure will keep a street motor alive.
Less friction means less heat and wear on internal parts, we run it in all our vehicles and have no complaints at all, on the 4X4's we own it even gave them a little better performance and gas milage."
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Hope this helps!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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mikeb
Dodge Dakota
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2/03/2004
10:17:44
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I read an article some time back regarding extended drains and the discussion was that they thread into the oil pan too far and create a "lip" inside the oil pan that prevents a small amount of the oil from draining. The conclusion of the article was to avoid them.
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wow
Dodge Dakota
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2/03/2004
11:12:54
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Jeez, I hope mikeb was kidding!
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Vic
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2/03/2004
11:17:38
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Hey Amsoil guy, since I only drive about 3,000-3,500 miles on each of my vehicles (car & Dakota) and change my oil only once a year, should I be changing my filter only (per your answer above) every six months? Thanks
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Bobbi
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2/03/2004
11:32:25
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whats the Oil Analysis you talk about? is it something the consumer can do?
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Gilberttribe
Dodge Dakota
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2/03/2004
11:50:22
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The site, http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ has a lot of great information about motor oils, trnasmission oils, air filters, etc. To get the most out of it, you need to click forums, go to used oil analysis - gas engine or http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=3. It contains actual oil analysis results from hundreds of people over a period of a few years. People post their oil analysis results, and then results are discussed by some very knowledgeable individuals.
There are few reports from various Daks and Durangos.
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DakotaEnthusiast
2/03/2004
11:56:51
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mikeb was not talking about extended "oil drain intervals" ... but "oil drains".
Oil Analysis
A UOA (Used Oil Analysis) is a trend analysis "per vehicle" and reports will be different "per vehicle". You can not compare across brands or between vehicles. UOA's are not used to determine "oil quality"
Oil analysis can detect:
Fuel dilution of lubrication oil
Dirt contamination in the oil
Antifreeze in the oil
Excessive bearing wear
Misapplication of lubricants
Some wear is normal, but abnormal levels of a particular material can give an early warning of impending problems and possibly prevent a major breakdown.
Early detection can:
Reduce repair bills
Reduce catastrophic failures
Increase machinery life
Reduce non-scheduled downtime
Early detection with oil analysis can allow for corrective action such as repairing an air intake leak before major damage occurs. Probably one of the major advantages of an oil analysis program is being able to anticipate problems and schedule repair work to avoid downtime during a critical time of use.
Oil analysis involves sampling and analyzing oil for various properties and materials to monitor wear and contamination in an engine, transmission or hydraulic system. Sampling and analyzing on a regular basis establishes a baseline of normal wear and can help indicate when abnormal wear or contamination is occurring.
Oil analysis works like this. Oil that has been inside any moving mechanical apparatus for a period of time reflects the exact condition of that assembly. Oil is in contact with engine or mechanical components as wear metallic trace particles enter the oil. These particles are so small they remain in suspension. Many products of the combustion process also will become trapped in the circulating oil. The oil becomes a working history of the machine.
Particles caused by normal wear and operation will mix with the oil. Any externally caused contamination also enters the oil. By identifying and measuring these impurities, you get an indication of the rate of wear and of any excessive contamination. An oil analysis also will suggest methods to reduce accelerated wear and contamination.
The typical oil analysis tests for the presence of a number of different materials to determine sources of wear, find dirt and other contamination, and even check for the use of appropriate lubricants.
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Cost and Convenience of Oil Analysis:
The cost of an oil analysis will vary according to the laboratory and extent of the analysis. Typical charges are $10 to $30 per analysis. The expense easily can be justified if it alerts the owner of a major problem that can be corrected and will help prevent downtime when the vehicle or machine is needed.
Several companies have developed oil analysis kits that make oil analysis convenient. These kits include the sample bottles, suction pump and tubing, and possibly a pre-addressed, postage-paid mailing container.
The reasonable cost and convenience of oil analysis for use makes it another management tool that should be considered by anyone wanting to do preventive maintenance.
You should use a lab that is familiar with the additive chemstry of the oil you are using. For instance ... testing Amsoil, I'd use Oil Analyzers, Inc., and for all you Mobil1 users, AV Lube. I think you will get more accurate data on oxidation, nitration, TBN, etc., etc., if you do this. Also, Blackstone Labs & Dyson Analysis are two very good oil analysis companies (best for Redline), and you can also check the Yellow Pages for someone nearby.
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Once you order the "sampling kit" follow the directions very close so as to NOT contaminate the sample. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
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In Closing --- Another purpose of oil analysis is to provide a means of predicting possible impending failure without dismantling the equipment. A person can "look inside" an engine, transmission or hydraulic systems without taking it apart.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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2/03/2004
12:07:31
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VIC,
Sorry ... I forgot to answer your post.
Simply put --- With your low mileage, can I safely assume that it is a lot of short trips. Shorter trips are harder on oil - period - because the oil does not have time to warm up sufficiently, etc., etc., etc. Stop-and-Go Driving, City Driving, Traffic Jams, Bumper-To-Bumper can also mean that you may have "low miles" on the odometer --- but many "hours" on the oil. This is one of many reasons for 6-month filter changes. I also feel that you should change every 6-months to insure a fresh filter for each of the extreme seasons --- Summer and Winter.
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2/03/2004
12:22:51
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andys1960,
Sorry to hijack your thread ---
--- but I wanted to post this to CLEAR THE AIR.
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I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil changes are absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months). NOTE: As I have stated on other threads --- Redline (as stated on their website) - said that some synthetic oils were capable of 25k oil changes --- but did not recommend that you do it with their oil.
Further Note: The 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Also, once you have established (through the use of Used Oil Analysis) that your engine and driving habits/conditions are capable of longer drain intervals --- your oil change intervals can be extended further. Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
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mikeb
Dodge Dakota
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2/03/2004
19:26:01
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Sorry, I misunderstood the topic.
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