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MASE
Dodge Dakota
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10/06/2003
09:19:35
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 Subject: Help, truck ain't starting this morning
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I went to start my (99 V8 dak) truck and relized that the battery was dead cause of the interior light being on. First time in 4 years. Boosted the battery and tried to start it and all that happens is that the truck just cranks. Upon turning the key you do hear the fuel pump kick in. When I parked the truck a day ago the fuel guage was right on "Empty", so I figure that it is out of gas. Well I get 5 gallons of gas and fill it up to the 1/4 mark and give it another go and it still just cranks. There is spark coming out of at least one of the spark plugs. Is there a way to pressurize the fuel system if it is completly empty, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Looks like I'll be riging my motorcycle to work to today.
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EBL
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10/06/2003
12:58:45
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First the easy thing to check... How does your air filter look? Clean?
Check to see if fuel is making it to your injectors. On your fuel rail there should be a pressure release. (shraeder valve like on your tires) Press it. and watch for gas to come squirting out at you under 43 lbs of pressure. Be careful it doesn't hit you in the eye!
If there isn't any pressure, check the in line fuel filter. Try to blow air through it or just replace it. If you can't blow air through it, it's clogged. (Don't use a compressor, you may destroy the filter element.)
Since you say you are getting spark, the only thing left would be the fuel pump or your timing is way off! Your timing is probably ok.
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MASE
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10/06/2003
15:17:31
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Well I did get it started but only after pumping the gas pedal while cranking the engine. It would only run if I held down the gas pedal a bit. After I let it stall for the third time when I started it, it stayed running for 5 minutes. Then I shut the truck off. I then went to start it up again and I had to pump/hold down the gas pedal again. I figure that the filter is clogged or something?? I am trying to find a new filter but they are saying that it is all internal to the pump(module ass.)
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EBL
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10/06/2003
16:12:54
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If the filter is in the tank, I suppose you're lucky the tank is empty!
I had to drop mine with the tank full.
If the tank is still a bit heavy for you, use 2x4's to make an "H" shape. Place a floor jack under the - part of the "H" and lower the jack. Let the jack do all the work. You can stop the jack from lowering so you can disconnect the lines going to the pump and sending unit.
An alternative method I have seen is removing the bed. I haven't tried removing the bed. It may be easier.
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Andy L
Dodge Dakota
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10/06/2003
17:06:46
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Had the same thing happen just get a new battery and the problem will go away as my 99 v8 did the same thing and put in a new batt and all better
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MASE
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10/06/2003
18:18:12
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Well, spoke to a few dealers and some say that there is no inline filter, one said that there is a "Leak detection pump filter" OEM P/N 4612901. Others say its all in the tank in a module (at least $430 bucks). A couple of dealers indicated that the computer may have lost its learned parameters as to how much to keep the throttle body open upon idle. They said to try and drive it for a bit. Another suggested to have the injector system flushed becasue of build up, and it may have just enough build up of gunk that the computer was compensating for it and now that it lost its mind, it will not idle correctly with out pressing on the gas. I hope this is what it is so I don't need to buy another fuel pump module.
Appreciate all the Info Guys...
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Cheerios
Dodge Dakota
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10/06/2003
18:31:43
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Get a confirmation on the spark. Put an
extension lead on the spark plug, hang it in the
gas tank, then crank the engine over.
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MASE
Dodge Dakota
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10/06/2003
18:55:32
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Hey Cheerios,
Bite me. Why don't you go to some other forum.
Everyone here is on the same team, at least I thouogh so. By putting crap like this on this site just brings down the over all integrity of the reputation of this web site.
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Bite me
Dodge Dakota
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10/07/2003
18:00:54
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So, did you check it with a fresh battery yet ? Some good advice from your "team mate" there. Why are you pumping the pedal ? There's no accelerator pump in a TB.
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dohh
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10/07/2003
19:25:14
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your battery is nigh on dead - buy a battery and it will work
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mddaktogo
Dodge Dakota
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10/07/2003
19:28:43
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99 - four year old battery - it's the battery. Why ya looking for goofy stuff.
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MASE
Dodge Dakota
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10/08/2003
03:09:04
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OK, here's the skinny on the situation. I started the truck up again buy pressing the gas pedal down while cranking the engine to keep it idling. There is no issue with my battery, the starter cranks great, just the engine would not fire with out pressing the gas pedal. While doing this I had someone else press the pressure release on the fuel injector rail (little valve like on your tires, thanks to EBL for the tip!). At first the gas did not squirt out very much at all, it seemed as though there was some air inside causing it to spit rather then a constant spray. Ran the truck for a bit wile holding the gas pedal and then shut it off again. Turned the key to the on position three times before starting the truck up to pressure up the line, you can hear the fuel pump kick in each time for a second. Then I started it again. All was well. It started this time with out pressing the gas pedal. Shut the truck off and started it again. It would not start. Started it by pressing the gas pedal down, and then released some more of the pressure (gas/air) out of the injector release. This time a little more pressure came out. We did this sequence about three more times. Starting the truck up and releasing the pressure and air out of the injectors. When all was said and done there was way more pressure coming out the injector release then when I first tried to release the pressure the first time. Also there was no air. I’m guessing now that there is about 40-50psi in the injector header with the truck idling, and a similar amount with the truck off. Why this all happened, well I figure that I was about to just run out of gas when I got home, and being it was 3:00am in the morning I some how left my interior light on in the cab of my truck for the next 12 hours causing the battery to go dead (must have been thinking about some of the tail that I picked up from the bar in my Dakota, DAM bucket seats!!!). Being the trucks gas gauge was on E and I parked on a very slight incline just as I stopped on my drive way, I must of got some kind of an air lock in the line. I personally have run my truck on E many of times but for once I guess I did not get lucky. Since doing this I have driven the truck more then 100Km and have started and stopped the truck 6 times with no problems, with no signs of the battery being weak. The battery sits at 12.6V with the truck off. Moral of the story in my opinion, is not to order the bucket seats and stay with the 40/20/40 seats and second of all, don’t run your truck on the E.
99 4X4 CC w/ 32”BFG’s, tonneau cover, two 10in subz
MASE
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