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Big K
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9/19/2003
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What's the difference between an transmission oil change and flush. I read a topic about flushing the transmission and the price seemed unbelievable. I was wondering if anyone does this themselves, it seems very easy. Doesn't it??? I am missing something? It looks like about 12 bolts around the transmission and out she comes. From there a filter , oil and there you go, so it seems to me.
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9/19/2003
21:57:44
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Big K,
If you are going to DIY ... You can pick up a filter kit from AutoZone for about $10 and it contains the filter and gasket. It is not nessasary to use any silicon or gasket sealer just be sure your pan surface is clean. NOTE: It is a messy DIY job.
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Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF
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Changing Your Transmission Fluid in 12 EASY Steps:
1. Make sure the fluid is warm. Warm up your Dakota so the transmission is at normal operating temperature. Pull the transmission dipstick. Fresh fluid is translucent and cherry red. Some darkening is normal, but if it is reddish brown or mustard color and smells like burnt varnish, it is worn out.
2. Drain the fluid by loosening the pan. Select the correct filter replacement based on pan shape and prepare a large pan to catch the fluid. Then loosen each pan bolt a turn or two and loosen one corner more than rest. Drain mostly from this corner.
3. Finish removing the pan and any gasket material from the pan or case. Avoid scratching the metal and make sure the pan’s gasket surface isn’t bent or distorted.
4. Remove the old filter. Most transmission filters are held in place with a bolt or two, but some are held by a clip. Be careful to include O-Rings or other seals.
5. Install a new filter. Use the clips or bolts from the old filter. Be sure O-Rings, etc. are in place. If the filter has a long intake neck, gently push the neck into place without unseating the O-Ring.
6. Clean the pan thoroughly. Inspect the pan before cleaning. A small amount of fine grey clutch dust is normal. However, if you find metal shavings, there has been transmission damage. Clean the pan with solvent and wipe dry so there is no harmful residue.
7. Position gasket on pan. Some gaskets have four holes slightly smaller than the rest to allow four bolts through the pan and through these smaller holes to hold the gasket in place.
8. Hand tighten pan bolts in a criss-cross pattern. After that, use a torque wrench to tighten bolts to proper ft-lbs as per manufacturer.
9. Refill the transmission using only the amount shown as “refill capacity” in the owners manual or "AMSOIL Product Selection Guide,” using the type of fluid specified for the vehicle.
10. If doing only a partial fluid replacement, skip to instruction 12 below. If doing a complete fluid replacement, follow the steps in instruction 11.
11. You now have replaced the fluid in the pan. To replace the fluid in the torque converter and oil cooler also, follow these steps.
Step 1. Obtain the total system capacity of the vehicle from the manufacturer or AMSOIL. Have this amount readily available.
Step 2. Disconnect the oil cooler line from the oil cooler. As you may not know which is the pressure side and which is the return side, have both directed so the stream of fluid will be directed toward a receptacle.
Step 3. With another person, be prepared to add ATF to the fill area as it is being pumped out of the oil cooler line.
Step 4. Start the engine, and as the old fluid is pumped out, add fresh fluid to the pan.
Step 5. When either the fluid color brightens or the total capacity has been replaced, shut the engine off and re-attach the oil cooler line. All fluids has now been changed.
12. Recheck the fluid level. With the truck on level ground, set the parking brake and the transmission in “Park” or “Neutral.” Let the engine idle for a few minutes. Shift the transmission into different positions before returning the lever to “Park” or “Neutral.” Check the fluid level again and check for leaks.
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Amsoil UNIVERSAL Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability and up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs. Delivers maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications.
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Big K
Dodge Dakota
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9/20/2003
10:50:44
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Thanks alot amsoil sponser.
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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9/21/2003
16:31:42
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Ditto !
Dr. D
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NoSuchThing
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
03:00:57
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No such thing as a "universal" ATF. Use Scamsoil at your own risk. DC will void any warranty faster than you can blink if you use anything but ATF+4 in a DC auto trans.
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AmsoilSponsor
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9/22/2003
06:58:31
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Another flamer with no facts.
I am leaving my home to attend a tribology and lubrication conference tomorrow. Tribology is the study that deals with the design, friction, wear, and lubrication of interacting surfaces in relative motion. I will be attending the classes that deal with lubrication of the internal components of an internal combustion engine.
I must leave in 10 minutes so I will be short. Amsoil universal ATF does not and will not void your warranty.
If you want a real recommendation ask BigBlue QC, Artie, Don, Sandman, Art, Don, or Dr. D. (just to name a few Dodge Dakota owners that frequent this site) what their personal opinions are of Amsoil Universal ATF. They all use it in their Dakota transmissions.
Q. How can AMSOIL's Universal ATF meet all the different frictional characteristics of the transmissions that it does?
A. AMSOIL Universal ATF chemistry has been separately tested against each auto manufacturer's specifications and meets all of the requirements for each. It can, therefore, be used in all applications specifying those requirements. The unique, and more advanced, chemistry of this lubricant allows it to meet the proper frictional characteristics for:
GM Dexron II, Dexron III
Ford Mercon, Mercon V
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III
Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295
Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3
Voith Commercial Transmissions
GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel
Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids
Toyota Type T and T-IV
AMSOIL Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid exceeds the performance requirements for domestic and foreign automatic transmission fluid applications.
For anyone interested, generally speaking, drive train components such as transmissions and differentials do not require break-in periods. AMSOIL Universal Transmission Fluid can be installed immediately.
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This is all that I have time to post now.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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NoSuchThing
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
07:50:48
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Whatever. You make your living pushing Scamsoil so what do you care if some sucker voids their warranty using your oil?
DC will only warranty a transmission if ATF+4 is used in it. If you use Scamsoil, your warranty is void. It's not too hard to fathom.
Enjoy your course...remember don't slap her if you're not wearing a wrapper.
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JimS
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
09:23:49
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All vehicle manufacturers in the U.S. have agreed that a warranty cannot be denied because a customer was using any particular brand of transmission fluid that meets specifications, unless an engine failure was directly attributable to the fluid. If it is not a fluid related failure, they cannot void the warranty. The law supports this position.
Amsoil meets and exceeds D/C specs.
Plus, the dealer/manufacturer has no way of telling what transmission fluid you are using. How do I know? I am a former Ford mechanic. I have been using Amsoil universal transmission fluid for many years, in many different vehicles. No problems. I too was sceptical in the beginning. But now I am a believer. I like the fact that I only need one case of atf in my small garage.
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BigBlueQC
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9/22/2003
13:02:24
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What was that Sym's clothing store commercial, "An educated consumer is our best customer" Too bad for un-educated ones
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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NoSuchThing
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
14:29:11
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blah blah blah...whateve. Use ScamWay oil if you like. I believe it's shlt so I won't use it.
If it's so good why is it 1) not carried as an OEM product and 2) sold through an MLM pyramid like dish soap and glass cleaner?
I'll tell you why, because the goal is to hook suckers like you who become the new evangalists to go out and convert other suckers while turning a profit that's split 50/50.
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Professor
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
15:45:06
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Every Company in America is Multi-Level.
Studies
Surveys
R&D
Engineering
Marketing
Promotion
Sales
Incentives
Management
Executives
Stockholders
---- and I've never seen MLM paying 50/50. Compensation usually starts @ about 2% commission working it's way up to about 15% for the top producers for honest MLM's. I know because I taught MLM as part of my curriculum at University. We studied AVON and AMSOIL and Amway as our topics. AMSOIL is a fine company. AMSOIL has NO complaints with the Better Business Bureau after 30 years in existence.
Amsoil is not Amway (Amway IS a scam).
Just because Amsoil and Amway sound similar ----- does not mean they are similar. The name AMSOIL is derived from the gentleman that started the company ___ his initials are A. M. --- therefore "A. M. 's Oil" or AMSOIL.
"A. M. 's Oil" = AMSOIL.
Had to throw in my .02 ----- tired of the flaming just like BigBlue.
David
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2003
20:20:22
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I do not care how AMSOIL is sold as long as I can keep gettin it !
More power to AMSOIL !!
Dr. D
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BiGblueQC
GenIII
9/23/2003
08:09:54
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as I said before
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Eggman
GenIII
9/23/2003
08:27:35
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what a fukin idiot.
99 SLT, 3.9 V-6 ,Bone stock for now.
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jharader
Dodge Dakota
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10/02/2003
10:06:43
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Its worth paying for the flush becuase unless you have the flushing machine you will never get all the burnt stuff out of the veins and converter. They push the fluid through while the old is coming out making sure there are no traces of old fluid.
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Offroad
Dodge Dakota
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10/02/2003
10:35:25
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The flush gets more of the fluid out but does not involve replacement of the filter.
The change process leaves some of the fluid in the lines, but give you the chance to change the filter...
I did a filter change at 60K and will do a flush at 90K, then a filter change at 120K... basically alternate between the two.
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HTucker
Dodge Dakota
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10/08/2003
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Just went for the Flush!
Felt like taking a good $hit, and the tranny performs better.
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Sesquash
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2003
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A POSITIVE story regarding FANTASTIC Amsoil!
I have had the pleasure of owning about 5 Honda Goldwings since being 21. The first time I changed to AMSOIL 10W40 full synthetic was in my 1979 Goldwing. The first run with the new oil, I came off a highway trip of about 30 miles (into work) and while downshifting through the gears (5 speed) I noticed that each gear----the RPM's didn't much go down. I thought "oh SH*T!" What did I do by putting this stuff in my crankcase! After work, I sheepishly went to my Honda Dealer's mechanic and 'off the cuff' asked him to do a compression test of my 'wing. I thought that I had blown the rings or something as I had no 'compression' left in the engine to bring me down from downshifting the tranny....
....well...after a short time in the shop, the mechanic (I knew this man--nice chap) came out and asked me again---what was my complaint? I told him about the engine staying up in the rev's and not bringing me down to the red light from off of the highway.
He then looked at me...and asked what I REALLY was worried about. Yeah..ok...I 'fessed up. I told him that I had changed the dino oil to AMZOIL 1040 full synthetic and felt I had screwed up my motor in doing so. He LAUGHED HIS ASS off...and when he was finished, told me that I have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! AMZOIL is so effective a lubricant, that I had near reduced parisitic friction to almost zero! What passed for my 'feeling' that I had blown my compression was in fact that the motor was in heaven and free-wheeling! That---is what was happening, and also that he had been using AMZOIL for his bike for quite some time. He said, go home and enjoy the new 'feel'.
I have been running AMZOIL 10W40 in my bikes and cars/trucks ever since. Ever since!
AMZOIL a scam? You have GOT to be kidding! Obviously, you have not tried their product line.
Kee-riced! A user, becomes a convert, hand's down, EVERY TIME. The product line does its OWN TALKING!!!!!
Ok...off the soap-box...
Next....
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Sesquash
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md
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10/09/2003
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Question: Would you EVER even think of draining only 1/3rd of your engine oil, installing a new filter, and then topping off with fresh oil?
The answer, of course, is not just NO - but, H+LL NO!!
So why would you want to do that with your $3500 tranny?
FLUSH it - get as much oild fluid and metal filings out of the trans as possible.
In my neck of the woods the difference in cost is about $110 vs $55. Or, stated another way: It costs an extra $55 per 30,000 miles of driving to insure as best one can against transmission failure.
Is there really any question here??
MD
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10/09/2003
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What can I add?
Thank you for your valued support of Amsoil ... BigblueQC, Dr. D., Sesquash (great story), and anyone else that I might have left off the list.
There are other believers (and Amsoil users) on this DD.com site such as sandman, Artie, Don, etc.
Thanks!
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JES
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2003
11:45:59
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Yes, but .... would you change your engine oil without changing the filter? Didn't think so. I plan on switching back and forth, as was mentioned before ... Drain & Fill (w/ filter), then, next time, Flush, then Drain & Fill (w/ filter), then, next time, Flush, then Drain & Fill (w/ filter), then, next time, Flush, then Drain & Fill (w/ filter), then, next time, Flush, then ... OK .. I think you get the picture. I, personally think this is the best approach. That is, after the warrantee is out ... read on ...
Keep in mind, the maintenance schedule in the manual says 'drain, change filters, and fill' ... NOT 'flush'. So, go ahead and flush -- WARRANTEE VOID. Very nice.
Eric -- http://photos.yahoo.com/jes_96
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