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Gregg
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According to Dodge site, the 4.7L v-8 (California engine) club cab 4x2 Auto has a GVWR of 5,350 while the exact truck with the 4-6 has a 6,010 rating. That's 730 lbs less in payload, the curb weight is only 75lbs more. I live in New England, and can't get the 5,900 GVWR upgrade.(not sure why) Can someone please explain this California 4.7L v-8 engine and why it's GVWR is so much less than the v-6. Also, why do I have to get the Cal engine in New England?
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Gregg
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bump
please someone must know, this is really bugging me
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mo-par
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8/18/2003
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5,350# is the r/t model
Model SXT, BASE, SLT, SPORT, SPORT+, SLT+, R/T
GVWR, Towing, Suspension
3:21 Rear Axle Ratio.............. S, S, S, S, S, S, n/a
3:55 Rear Axle Ratio.............. n/a A A A A A n/a
3:92 Ratio Rear Axle.............. n/a n/a n/a A A n/a S
Chrysler 8:25 Rear Axle......... S, S, S, S, S, S, n/a
Chrysler 9:25 LD Rear Axle ...n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a S
GVW Rating of 5350 Lbs...... n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a S
GVW Rating of 6010 Lbs...... S, S, S, S, S, S, n/a
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Greggg
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8/18/2003
12:28:30
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Thanks fro the reply, but the 5350lb GVWR is for the Sport v-8, I'm looking at the window sticker now. Like I stated before, the California v-8 engine in the same truck, changes the GVWR.
Anyone else help me out here. This info is also on the Dodge site under towing.
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mo-par
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8/18/2003
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that's where the above came from, dodge site
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Gregg
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8/18/2003
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May be, but what I've posted is correct..look at the towing guide and click the club cab sport with the the v-6, then with the california v-8. GVWR goes from 6,010lbs to 5,350lbs which is consistant with the window sticker I'm looking at.
Why does the Cal. v-8 have such a lower GVWR and payload((1280lbs compared to 2,010)than the v-6?
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mo-par
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8/18/2003
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I'm looking at my 01 brochure and the figures you are quoting are for a R/T
it makes no distinction between CA and other States emissions on any model
V6 auto with 3.55 = 8,800 GCWR with 3.92 9,200 GCWR
4.7 auto with 3.55 = 9,200 GCWR with 3.92 10,500 GCWR
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Gregg
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8/18/2003
13:08:47
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Please go to the Dodge site and look under towing. I'm talkiing about year 2003. Please don't keep disagreeing with me until you look at the info.
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haha
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8/18/2003
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This is getting good. LOL
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Gregg
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From the dodge website:
2003 Dakota Sport, Club Cab, 4x2, Short Bed, Automatic 5-Speed, 4.7L V8 (California) engine:
With 3.55 Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 5000 lbs2
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 5350 lbs
Payload [i] = 1280 lbs1
Curb Weight [i] = 4070 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 2398 / 1673 lbs
GAWR [i] Front/Rear = 3100 / 3106 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 9200 lbs
Now, same truck with the v-6:
2003 Dakota Sport, Club Cab, 4x2, Short Bed, Automatic 4-Speed, 3.9L V6 engine:
With 3.55 Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 4650 lbs2
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 6010 lbs
Payload [i] = 2010 lbs1
Curb Weight [i] = 3996 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 2334 / 1662 lbs
GAWR [i] Front/Rear = 3100 / 3806 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 8800 lbs
Can someone please explain this? BTW, I have to get the California engine here in New England for some reason...all the v-8s are 5,350lbs GVW on the club cabs 4x2. It appears just to be on the club cabs with the 4.7L 4-8 The regular cabs with the v-8 get the 6,010 GVW while the Quads with the 4-8 get 5,600 GVW. All the v-6s get 6,010lbs...WHY???
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FAST00RT
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8/18/2003
17:43:49
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Gregg
try here I think this is what he is tring to help you with.
www.dodge.com/towing/capacities/03dakota
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Gregg
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Hey fastoort
GROW UP!!
you just showed who the real idiot is..how about trying to answer the question??
Can't??
Thought not
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Richard Head
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8/18/2003
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well y dont u get r ca truck and shut the uck up ;-p
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TECH
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8/18/2003
19:40:57
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Email Dodge, maybe they simply have a typo on the website...it happens.
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Andy
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he can't think far enough to do that
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Gregg
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20:06:24
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Tech, It's not a typo. The window stickers state the same thing..5,350 GVWR for v-8 club cabs. v-6s get a GVWR of 6,010.
Andy,
If you don't have an answer to the question, why waste the time to post..just to be a snart ass??
Richard,
I have no idea what that jumbled mess of a post is supposed to say. ...it sure sounds like another smart ass remark though....
Does anyone else have an intelligent answer?
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smartazzzzzzz
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8/18/2003
20:32:33
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NO WE GIVE UP WHAT IS IT GR.......EGG HEAD
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Gregg
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20:37:56
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wow, another genius response...it's not a quiz, just a serious question I don't have an answer to. The dealers don't seem to know either...and I'm now on hold on the phone with Dodge customer service..they apparently don't know either.
It's not a typo though.
Gr...egg Head???....how old are you...puberty yet????
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Fred
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21:12:39
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New England Patriots SUCK !!!!!
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ttt
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22:33:03
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?????
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.alex.
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8/19/2003
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The California engine has thre catalytic converters: 2 mini catalytics right off the exhaust manifolds and then a 3rd catalytic downstream from there. It has 4 oxygen sensors and is considered a low emissions vehicle. LEV if you will.
The towing capacity is because the V-6 is more powerful than the 4.7L V-8 and the transmissions that come behind the V-6 are much stronger than those behind the V-8.
I am sad everytime one of those powerful V-6's blazes past me on the highway. Grrr....
http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/0F64H9L1P5IL.html
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Gregg
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8/19/2003
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Alex,
the towing capacity is not what is higher in the v-6s, it's the GVWR.
Why would the emissions lower the GVWR in the v-8s?? It's dramatically lower, 730lbs.
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Deno24
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8/19/2003
09:59:57
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Yo Alex, your kidding of course right?
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.alex.
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Deno.... of course I'm kidding. But not about the 3 catalytic converters.
Gregg..... Towing capacity, GVWR whatever. If you are worried about the difference between hauling 1280 lbs and hauling 2010 lbs, then you are purchasing the wrong vehicle. You need to buy a truck with a larger payload to get yourself more breathing room. You need the Ram with the Cummins diesel. It has more GVWR than the v-6 or the 4.7 motor.
What's to say that if you accidentally put like 1285 lbs in the bed of your 4.7 truck? Would you have to take 5 lbs out of the load or would you just drive on? Personally I'd just drive on.
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8/19/2003
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YOU TOO CAN HAVE A BIGGER JOHNSON
E-MAIL ME NOW FOR MORE DETAILS
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Gregg
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Alex..1280lbs vs 2,010 is a huge difference to me. I carry between 1,000 to 1,500 lbs all the time...but if I get the 4.7L v-8(which I really want)a lose on the payload.
I don't need the Ram, but it's very confusing as to why the payload would be reduced so much by getting a v-8.
I just got a reply via e-mail from Dodge, but they totally screwed it up. The compared a 4x2 to a 4x4, which had nothing to do with my question.
I'm talking 4x2 club cab, 4.7L Cal. v-8 vs same truck with a v-6.
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.alex.
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8/19/2003
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Well, since you are going strictly by the numbers on the window sticker and taking them at face value, and you are hauling 1000-1500 lbs all the time, then it would make good sense to get the V-6.
Because the window sticker says so.
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Gregg
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Alex.. Well put that's just what I'll do.....Thank You
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Gregg
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Alex,
I don't know why so many here have to twist things around so much.
If you have followed this thread, you would have seen that the numbers are from the Dodge towing guide on their web site. Someone suggested that it might be a typo, in which I replied that the window stickers also back it up.
It amazes me how so many feel the need to post when they don't offer the answer to the questions ask.
It was a straight forward question....why do the club cab 4.7L v-8s being sold in new England have a GVWR some 700lbs less than the same truck with a v-6?
A suggestion of "get a Ram if you need more payload" is not an answer to the question and has no value to the thread.
The payload difference doesn't seem odd to you? The numbers are correct, that I'm sure of.
Ps- the above post was not sent by me.
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.alex.
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The above numbers make no difference to me, and therefore I do not think it odd. I have never worried about whether my vehicle was rated to haul 1200 lbs or 2000 lbs. It hauls me (300 lbs) and almost all my worldy belongings (lots of weight) in several trips every time I move from one apartment to the next.
Come to think of it, I have removed the bottom leaf out of the leaf-spring pack on each side of my personal truck so that I can get a better launch on the drag strip.
But to further my earlier point, my truck's transmission is only rated for 350 lb-ft of torque. I know of several people who have exceeded that rating on the transmission and done it many many times, all with no ill effects. I plan on doing it soon, myself.
My point? I only take manufacturer's ratings with a grain of salt. I personally don't understand why the stickers and the website are all suggesting that the V-8 will accomodate less payload than the V-6.
My earlier statements stand:
If you need to carry the maximum payload of the vehicle at all times, then you should increase the maximum available by purchasing a larger truck. This will allow you some margin of payload error.
If you are trying to decide on which vehicle to purchase and are really concerned about the final 700 lbs of payload rating, then you should get a V-6 truck since it will carry more.
As for why? Well, you're going to have to work your way up to the upper eschelon of Daimler Chrysler's Engineering Department and ask the suspension/payload specialist to find out what the difference is....
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Gregg
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8/19/2003
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Alex,
"The above numbers make no difference to me, and therefore I do not think it odd."
Well, the numbers do make a difference to me, that's why I asked the question. We are not talking a minor difference here, we are talking a 57%(2,010lbs to 1280) decrease in payload with the v-8.
57% DECREASE...from a v-6 to a v-8?? Surely that would be very odd to most people.
Dodge engineering is getting back to me on this, the customer service guy has no answer(after 2 very lame..and not answeing the question responses...kind of like what I'm getting here..lol)
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