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3/14/2001
03:11:58

Subject: Warped Rear Brake Drums
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Has anyone else had their rear brake drums to warp. Mine did at about 20,000 miles and they are warped again at 31,000 miles. I never heard of such a thing before - front discs - yes, but not rear drums. I thought I was going coo coo until I read in Popular Mechanics that their long term test Dakota had warped rear drums. What gives here?

Wayne Van Metre
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3/22/2001
21:20:32

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Well, that drum is getting too hot for some odd reason. Maybe the shoes are improperly adjusted (too tight) and are dragging? Just an idea.

1987 Dakota 3.9L, 3 speed, 220,000 miles

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3/23/2001
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Had a pulsation in the brakes from day one. Took it back and it took them two days to figure out that the drums were warped. They refinished them and they seem to be allright so far. Any body had a recuring problem? 2001 dakota quad cab 4x4 4.7L



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4/11/2001
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Oh may God, am I glad to hear that this warped rear brake drum isn't just my problem. I have a 2000 4.7 L SLT (4wheel) with just over 20,000 miles on it. I used it to pull a uhaul from Kansas to North Carolina, and as soon as I got to NC they were warped (less than 1700 miles on it after a 1200 mile trip). I took it to Dodge and they said they were warped and they replaced them (didn't seem too wierd to them). Then 3000 mi later they were warped again...Dodge fixed them. This is where I got upset. Dodge said that it was my DRIVING style that was the problem and not their cheap parts (the "cheap" part I am adding for effect). They actually suggested to me that I buy after market parts that are better suited for my driving style. At at 24, I hardly believe that my driving style is too much for a $26,000.00 truck! Anyway, that is what I plan on doing, buying after market rear drums for my little piece of heaven. So far, other than a bad muffler, and a failed rear shock and strutt, nothing else wrong.

However, anybody have any problem with an overheating stereo amplifier?

steve



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4/16/2001
20:10:44

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I bought a 2000 dakota 4x4 5.9l only problem i've
had was with the front rotors they've been replaced twice in 17,000 miles. service rep told me I needed to have the rear brakes adjusted every oil change ? said can't depend on self adjusters. I back up and hit the brakes to adjust them and it will stop on a dime however it sometimes makes the hopping effect I get when slowing from 40mph to 30 mph worse. The problems back again at 24,000 and I'm curious as to what the dealership is going to say this time, they also implied it was my driving. anyone have any
ideas. I know I can solve the problem with aftermarket stuff but I paid enough for the truck and should'nt have to spend the money.



steve johnson
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4/23/2001
12:55:46

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I have no suggestion for you, I am just going to bite the bullit and buy the aftermarket stuff. As for the self-adjusting mechanicsm...I didn't realize they could be re-adjusted by backing up.

I feel the same way you do about the cost of the truck and the value of some of its components. I have told me local "5 Star dealership" that their policies suck and their service is worse, but, they don't seem to care.



jeff
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4/23/2001
22:19:26

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I own a 2000 2wd Dakota CC with the 4.7 - the brakes are just plain junk. I took the truck back to the dealer within 3000 miles to have the front rotors looked at... the dealer called to inform me they were warped and that they would turn them and that would get rid of the wheel shake and vibration I complained about when braking. After 5000 miles the rotor warped again, the dealer replaced them this time, 4000 miles later the rotors warped again, this time the dealer told me it was my oversized "OFF-ROAD" tires... the same size tire as comes stock on the 4x4 version, a 31" BFG A/T... so I called a Dodge rep and told him what I thought... he told me it was my driving style... What a CROCK of you know what. I owned an 89' S-10 and NEVER replaced the rotors. Dodge is selling a pretty good product with a lot of INFERIOR products attached to it... Why Dodge won't just fess up and replace these rotors with QUALITY pieces is simple, they don't care enough about the customer. I fixed my problem by replacing my stock rotors with a set of Powerslot rotors - these rotors have over 32,000 miles on them with ZERO warpage... what does that say about DODGE rotors? Driving style my ass!



Brad Baker
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4/25/2001
15:39:59

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I was told that the drums could warp if you were using the brakes a lot while towing something or while going down hill (for miles) and then if the drums are still hot enough once you have parked, you set the emergency brake on hard, this might warp them.



Wayne
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4/25/2001
15:53:05

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Brad, that probably would warp them. I have done nothing like that. In 36 years of driving, I have owned many cars and have driven most of them pretty hard. I have never warped drums or rotors before.

Wayne Van Metre
'99 CC SLT 5.2/auto/3.90 anti spin

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4/28/2001
01:19:51

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I bought a 2001 Club cab about six months ago and have to take my truck in for warped drums also. Other than that, no problems.



JAMIE
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5/11/2001
10:27:30

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i HAVE HAD TO TAKE MY TRUCK BACK 15 TIMES FOR WARPED DRUMS. ALL CHRYSLER CAN SAY IT IS MY DRIVING STYLE. i HAVE TRIED LEMON LAW AND ABRITRATION AND STILL HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK TO GET IT REPLACED. THEY DO NOT NOT WANT TO DO ANYHTING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. I HAVE ONLY 21,000 MILES AND MY PROBLEM STARTED AT 8,000 MILES.



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5/16/2001
13:37:37

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Jamie, I gave up taking my truck back after the 3rd time. The lemon law would work if you want to get rid of the truck, but personally, I don't want too. I have been told by many mechanics that the drums are bad and that they can't replace them yet because Dodge hasn't released the specifications for aftermarket parts to be based on. So, I am just dealing with the shaking until I can buy high performance ones, or until Dodge has a recall. Does anybody know who we can call to complain about this to?



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5/17/2001
21:36:27

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Well, I took my 2001 Dakota to my dealer today to have the rear drums looked at. I was told that the front rotors are defective and that they are ordering new ones for replacement. My dealer is going to cover them under warranty and said that if the shuddering continues, they will also replace the rear drums. So far, my dealer has been awesome as far as covering anything on this truck. I was told that the Dakota has fewer brake-related problems than the Ram or the Durango (thought they were the same as the Dakota?), but it seems that a lot of people are having problems with brakes on these trucks. I wonder how many people have to complain to Chrysler before they take a serious look at this problem?



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5/19/2001
09:59:17

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I am taking mine in Tuesday for the 2nd time. I have 34000 miles on it so it isn't as bad as some of you other guys. Still it is bad for me because I have never had these problems before. Strangely enough I have had problems with my '98 Trans Am. 2 vehicles at the same time with none ever before?????? On the 2nd trip they found something in the master cylinder on my T/A, changed it out and no more problems.



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5/23/2001
21:45:09

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Just getting ready to start my war on Dodge about their brakes. They told me I needed new pads on front, rotors turned, and drums turned. 24,000 miles on Dakota 4x4. That is not "normal wear". They tried to charge me $375. No way I am going to pay that for a truck less than a year old. If they tell me its my driving style I,m going to drive it through their showroom window. See how that like that for driving style! Other than that I love the truck.



Wayne
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5/31/2001
12:44:01

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Well I brought it in. I told them the truck was vibrating when braking but the steerint wheel wasn't (trying to indicate rear brakes to them). The service writer tells me that it is the front discs and at 34000 miles, the pads are probably worn too. Total cost $183. I asked about warranty. He said warranty on brakes is up at 12000. I asked him about recalls. He said that they had no problems with Dakotas. I told him he couldn't say that anymore. He asked me to sign the paper to approve the work. I told him I would fix it myself because no more Mopar brake parts would be put on my truck.



lil red dak
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6/01/2001
20:26:55

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Here is a great way to (CAUSE) warped brake drums. Make a few hard stops and then park your truck and apply the parking break very hard. Thats right step on that thing really hard, all the way to China. Make sure the drums have not had a long time to cool off. Then let your truck set for about an hour. Repeat many times. I can Almost garuntee that the drums will be warped after a while. I work in a tool and die shop and have seen many strange things happen to metal when it gets hot and pressure gets applied.



Brad Baker
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6/08/2001
15:49:34

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Thanks lil red dak! for explaining it beter than I did about people applying their parking brake. And to add to it some more, The hotter metal gets, the easier it bends or in this case warps. In simple terms the parking brake cable connects to one of the brake shoe on each rear wheel and creates an outward pushing of force pressure on only two points (not equal pressure applied to the whole drum) of each rear drum.



JP
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6/10/2001
09:40:04

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I have been following several threads discussing brake problems. I just got my new Dak ('01 CC, AWD,4.7, 4wheel ABS) and decided to check lug nut torques. They did not feel equally tight from the factory as I loosened to re-torque and would recommend that anyone who has not checked torques that they do so. A range of 85 to 100 ft. lbs.(maybe 110, not sure on upper limit)recommended. I used 90.

Unequal torquing is one problem you can then eliminate as a problem.

Good luck all, JP



lil red dak
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6/10/2001
11:30:43

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JP that will do it too.



Ralphp
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6/10/2001
16:37:43

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Well I took my 2001 Dakota to my dealer last Thursday to have the front rotors and pads replaced. This stopped the shuddering that I was experiencing, but I still get a grinding sound and thumping from the rear. Now they are going to replace the rear drums. I'm getting real tired of taking time off of work to have this truck worked on. Other than that, I wouldn't trade for anything else.



popeye
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6/11/2001
08:49:15

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I HAVE A 2001 DAKOTA SPORT 4.7, HAD IT ABOUT 4 MONTHS NOW AND LOVE THE TRUCK, BUT I HAVE HAD MY PROBLEMS. THE TRUCK MAKES A CLICKING NOISE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START TO DRIVE AND THEN STOPS. TOOK IT TO THE DEALER AND THEY SAID IT WAS MY EXAUST, YEAH. IT ALSO MAKES A SQUEALING NOISE EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN I STEP ON MY BRAKES. ONLY HAS 5200 MILES ON IT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE THIS????



popeye
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6/11/2001
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I HAVE A 2001 DAKOTA SPORT 4.7, HAD IT ABOUT 4 MONTHS NOW AND LOVE THE TRUCK, BUT I HAVE HAD MY PROBLEMS. THE TRUCK MAKES A CLICKING NOISE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START TO DRIVE AND THEN STOPS. TOOK IT TO THE DEALER AND THEY SAID IT WAS MY EXAUST, YEAH. IT ALSO MAKES A SQUEALING NOISE EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN I STEP ON MY BRAKES. ONLY HAS 5200 MILES ON IT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE THIS????



popeye
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6/11/2001
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I HAVE A 2001 DAKOTA SPORT 4.7, HAD IT ABOUT 4 MONTHS NOW AND LOVE THE TRUCK, BUT I HAVE HAD MY PROBLEMS. THE TRUCK MAKES A CLICKING NOISE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START TO DRIVE AND THEN STOPS. TOOK IT TO THE DEALER AND THEY SAID IT WAS MY EXAUST, YEAH. IT ALSO MAKES A SQUEALING NOISE EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN I STEP ON MY BRAKES. ONLY HAS 5200 MILES ON IT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE THIS????



Black Dak
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6/18/2001
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I have a 2000 Dakota 4x4 with the 4.7. I haven't had a problem with the rear brakes yet, but I am about to take mine in to have the front rotors turned for the second time. The first time was at about 18,000 miles, second will be at 35,000. I am definitely thinking about after marker rotors.



Black Dak
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6/18/2001
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I have a 2000 Dakota 4x4 with the 4.7. I haven't had a problem with the rear brakes yet, but I am about to take mine in to have the front rotors turned for the second time. The first time was at about 18,000 miles, second will be at 35,000. I am definitely thinking about after marker rotors.



sprocket
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6/18/2001
20:16:09

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I finally broke down and invested in aftermarket rotors and pads ( RAYBESTOS ) at a cost of almost $400 installed. Right now I only have about 1,500 miles on them, the last two factory sets only lasted around 7,000 miles so time will tell. I'll keep you posted.



Greeno
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6/21/2001
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How many complaints does Dodge need to get in order for them to recall the front rotors? Obviously there is a problem. everyone and their mother is having problems with these front rotors whether you are hauling or not. I have 16,000 on my 00 CC SLT sport plus 4X4 and doesn't seem to be a problem with the brakes yet but I'm sure it with come. I'm going real easy on braking since I've heard of the problems.



Nick McCardle
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6/24/2001
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I've got a '98 Dakota Sport, 5.2L. Got it with 70,102 miles on it. About 1-2k into that, had to have the front brakes done...pads were dead. I've had a shaking problem when braking for a while now. Am at about 75,500 miles now. I'll have to live with it though I guess, just have a drivetrain warranty and I'm a poor 16yr. old.



bdelisa
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6/26/2001
00:12:03

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I brought my 2000 4.7L in because of
shuddering when stopping. The dealer said
that -suprise!- my rear rotors were warped. I
have 10,900 miles on it, at least I'm still under
warranty. I asked them what caused it.
Guess what they said.....it was my driving
style. NOT!
I called 18004ADODGE to complain. They
said call 800-992-1997 to have a complaint
logged with DC. The person I talked to at the
second number was very helpful. He told me
that a lot of car manufacturers have been
having problems since they were forced to
stop using asbestos-based pads in '97 or '98.
In other words, the rotors warped because of
the pads, not my driving style or bad design.
You be the judge.
I will log on to nhtsa.gov and fill out a
complaint form on the rear brakes, they
should not have warped after 11k miles even if
I pulled an overloaded trailer everywhere I
went, regardless of pads or driving style. I
encourage all who are having similar
problems to call the 800-992-1997above and
fill out a complaint form with nhtsa. The more
complaints, the better the chances that a TSB
or recall will happen and the problem will be
solved. If you call the 800#, have your VIN
number ready; after going through 2 or so
million electronic phone menus, you will be
asked for some of the letters and numbers in
the VIN.
If anyone knows of any good aftermarket rear
drums for a 2000 dak, please let me know. I
would like to review all of my options.
Also had the idle TSB done, seems to idle
much better.




will
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7/10/2001
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I have a 96 Dakota 4x4 - and this is the third time (80,000 miles on the thing) that I have had to completely replace the front pads and rotors. Rear brakes are still in great shape. From reading the messages - sounds like a recurring problem. Any similar problems with rotors on the front for the older Dakotas???

This truck also has a "tooting" drivers window. Had the people at the dealership laughing at me - til a mechanic went with me an heard it himself. Only happens when you hit 60 mph on a windy day - and it scares the #$&(#$ out of you cause you think it is a car beeping its horn at you. First time it happened - I almost lost control of the truck trying to avoid a car that was not there.

Any one else have the same experience?



Alan
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7/13/2001
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At 9,000 miles the dealer turned the front rotors and replaced the rear diff as his "fix" for both the jerky braking and excessive driveline lash on my 2000 club cab 4x4 with the 4.7 engine. Second time around the dealer said the new "howl" was from mis-adjustment of driveline components and they "tightened it up", but said he did not experience the jerky braking ( though everyone who rides in it makes a comment about it! ). This coming Monday, at 17,000 miles, I take it in again for the jerky braking, driveline howl, and a rough bumpy stutter (driveline not engine, kind of like it is stubbing it’s toe if that makes sense), when cruising around 30-40.

If not completely fixed, I’ll have no choice but to begin the procedure to force Dodge to repurchase the vehicle under my state's lemon law. Faulty brakes constitute a safety hazard and the dealership has thus far been unable to correct the problem. Denying a problem exists and forcing the consumer to go out and buy after market products and in effect "re-engineer" their product is not the answer.




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7/14/2001
06:54:48

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Alan,

You and I have what sounds to be an almost identical problem, except mine is a distinct vibration from about 35-50 mph and I have no driveline howl. My vibration is most noticeable when the torque converter is locked up, leading me to believe that either the converter is part of the problem or it is just masking the vibration when unlocked. Just out of curiosity, what's your gearing, transmission, and tire combination? Mine's a 2000 CC 4X4 4.7 auto with 3.55 LSD rear end and factory 31 inch tire package. I currently have 21,500 miles and have had the problem since 7000 miles.

To date, the dealer and two tech reps have claimed repeatedly that tires are to blame, even though there have now been 3 different sets of tires on two different sets of wheels on the truck, not to mention a set that the dealer pulled off the service manager's truck just to test mine with wheels and tires known not to vibrate. The vibration and jerky braking have occurred with all sets of wheels and tires. They claim that everything in the driveline is perfect. But as of last Monday, the dealer and tech rep say they want to flash my PCM to adjust my shift points higher and prevent the converter from locking up until about 50 mph. However they can't do this yet because it would affect emissions and fuel economy, and therfore requires EPA approval. Also, that seems like a cheap fix to me...try to mask the vibration at the possible expense of torque converter life. An independent shop yesterday checked my brakes and found the fronts were fine...the needle on the measuring tool barely moved as they spun the disk. Both rear drums were warped, so they machined the drums and re-adjusted the rear brakes. It feels a little smoother now, but not much.

I have also looked at the lemon law and am giving serious consideration to using it. In addition to the safety issue, there should also be a clause in there about the defect affecting actual or perceived value of the vehicle. Think about it...if you tried to trade in your truck, any dealer would probably knock at least $1000-$2000 off the amount they offer you, simply because of the problem. So the value of the truck has suffered as a direct result of the problem.

I'm at the end of my rope on this. Whether I pursue the lemon law or not, I know that I will attempt to get rid of my truck much sooner than I had originally planned, and I will never purchase another Dodge. I'd like to buy something from a manufacturer that will stand behind the product more than Dodge...I think I'd have a better chance on warranty issues with a Yugo than with Dodge.

Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD

Alan
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7/14/2001
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Hi Dan,

Sorry to hear you’re in the same boat, sucks huh?

I have the same 4.7, auto, 4x4 & LSD as you. The last time I took the truck in, the dealer did allude to the BFG All Terrain tires being noisy when he was listening for my howl, but had not yet tried to make that an issue. But, expecting it in the future I have had the original tires re-mounted ($72). Of course it makes no difference. The jerky braking is still there and the howl I hear is directly related to accelerator pedal pressure (driveline spinning up vs. coasting). If I coast, no howl, but the speed is still the same. Hit the gas and there it is again.

I agree with the loss of value for a trade in. As I read the law, safety seems to be a big issue. If Dodge is able to fix the problem(s) I am giving serious thought to driving it straight to the Toyota dealer and trading for a Tundra. Like the Dakota, the Tundra "access" cab is pretty close to what I was looking for.

I had to laugh today, Dodge again sent me an offer to buy an extend service plan. I doubt I will have the truck past the warranty period.




rob
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8/01/2001
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Just bought a 97' Dakota. Love it- but three months into it I get a bad shudder when braking, from 40-30mph. I've had my new tires balanced 4 times, so I guess it is the brakes. Definitly coming from the back. Now the question is can I live with it, or do I need to get it checked out. PS. been reading these posts and I never use the parking break, not quite sure how this developed.



rob
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8/01/2001
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Just bought a 97' Dakota. Love it- but three months into it I get a bad shudder when braking, from 40-30mph. I've had my new tires balanced 4 times, so I guess it is the brakes. Definitly coming from the back. Now the question is can I live with it, or do I need to get it checked out. PS. been reading these posts and I never use the parking break, not quite sure how this developed.



Greeno
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8/04/2001
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What we need to do guys is send all of our safety-brake complaints to NHTSA.com and have them investigate all these claims of returning rotors at 5,000 miles, shuddering, etc. and have them get on DaimlerChrysler's ass for a safety recall. It would be as big as Firestone for petes sakes!!



Ralphp
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8/10/2001
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I took my Dakota back to my dealer today for more rear brake problems. I am happy to say that they found the cause of the problem. It seems that the new brake drums are just as bad as the set that were replaced under warranty. The drums aren't actually warped, but are deformed from some manufacturing flaw. This caused the drums to wear unevenly on the rear brake shoes. The best part about this visit was that they ordered an after-market set of drums from a local parts house while I was there and said that they are going to bill Chrysler for them. They seemed to be less impressed with the factory drums than I was. With service like this, I know where my next vehicle purchase will be from.



HOWARD
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8/12/2001
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Does anyone know which issue of Popular Mechanics states their test Dakota had warped drums? I would love to take that to my dealer 8/14/01. They told me on the phone they had not heard of any problem. My THREE WEEK purchase ( 1999 with 24,000) has warped drums, I only put 400 miles on it since I pulled off the lot. Now it won't even pass Maryland state inspection. No Problem HUH?



Mark Murphy
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8/14/2001
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I have a 2000 4.7 SLT Dakota w/ the extended cab. At 10,500 mi. they had to replace Hubs, Bearings and Rotors. Apparently the rotors and hubs were out of round. Then at 20,800 miles my front rotors had to be turned. Now at 30,000 miles the truck is shuttering when I apply the brakes. It appears my rotors need to be turned again. The servic manager is telling me that it depends on the driving conditions say if I drive through puddles that I will have to have my brakes done. This sounds like someone is trying to blow sunshine up my ... I was driving a Neon and had close to 120,000 miles without any brake work at all. I would expect a little more wear and tear with a truck due to the weight but every 10,000 miles is ridiculus. I may have to get a FORD next time.



Webtiger
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8/15/2001
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Okay, so you drive through a few puddles when it's raining or snow is melting in the spring. And this Service Manager is saying because of that you have to have the brakes re-done? Find another dealer pronto!!!!!!!!!



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