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Quadster
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10/11/2001
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I would like to add a subwoofer to my stock system and wondered if anyone has done this? I normally use an aftermarket head unit and use RCA output but I like the factory system other than the need for more bass. Would I connect into the existing rear speaker wires and run into the speaker level inputs on my amp? Would this cause a loss of signal to the rear speakers or the sub amp to have them tied together?
My other alternative would be to install my Alpine head unit and redo the entire system. Does someone make an install kit for a DIN into the 2001 dash? I noticed that it is different in shape than the previous models.
Anyone done this?
Duwayne



Dave_K
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10/11/2001
12:11:35

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I would like to add a subwoofer to my stock system and wondered if anyone has done this?

Not Yet, But possibly soon...

I normally use an aftermarket head unit and use RCA output but I like the factory system other than the need for more bass. Would I connect into the existing rear speaker wires and run into the speaker level inputs on my amp?

This is one solution. However, I would get a high level to low level converter instead of running them right into your amplifier. (But I suggest you get a new headunit).

Would this cause a loss of signal to the rear speakers or the sub amp to have them tied together?

I believe you would have problems trying to power and AMP and Rear speakers off the same channel. I think you would need to run all 4 off the front channel. (Or get a new headunit).

My other alternative would be to install my Alpine head unit and redo the entire system. Does someone make an install kit for a DIN into the 2001 dash? I noticed that it is different in shape than the previous models. Anyone done this?

Yes! I installed an Alpine into my truck, and it DID make a hell of a difference. I put a CDA-7875 into my truck. It has 60watts RMS, and 3 outputs + 1 sub out. Heres a link to it. Its an awesome unit. If your serious about installing a custom system, check these sites here. This one is for a JL Audio Stealth Box, and the other is to a MTX Thunder form. I have heard great things about both. Of course, both of these is assuming you have the Club Cab. If you have the standard, or quad, you will have to ask around for ideas, there are plenty.

I also got my kit and plug for the stereo at Best Buy (In Missouri) So they DO make one you can use... Good luck to ya! Let me know if you need more info.


-Dave







kota4bye
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10/11/2001
12:25:08

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I had the same question. I want to run a factory loaded and amped Thunderform with my stock head unit. Can I do it? Will I be happy with the results? I'm not much of an audiophile, but I've had the itch for one for a while.

Kota



Dave_K
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10/11/2001
13:13:19

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Your best bet, if you do not want to replace your factory head unit, is to run all of the Dakota's speakers off your front channel. I am not sure how much, but it will effect the ammount of power to each speaker (off the front channel). You would probably drop the ohm load as well. If you don't want to replace the head, then you will need to get a High to Low Level Converter -> This converts your speaker wires to RCA Jacks. They will be better then running it into an amp that has high level inputs.

Then you hook that up to your rear speaker channel, and run a set of RCA'a to your thunderform or Stealth Box.

IMO the stealth box would be better. JL makes the best damn speaker i have ever heard in my life. Now saying that i want to let you all know that I Have Not had the oppotunity to hear the Stealth Box OR the ThunderForm. I also have never heard MTX before. They are both so expensive, it is likely hard to talk to someone who has tried both.

However, i have heard many kudos between the two of them. The JL Audio speaker is one 8" dual voice coil speaker. FYI, i have heard JL's 10's THen thump the hell out of many 12's i have heard, as well as 15's. As for the ThuderForms, i hear they are good, but you will want to put your own amp on it (Dont use theirs). They have a higher resistance, and will need to use a Mono amp to get the appropriate load. There is another post here talking about this subject... Click Here To View It...

But still, yet again... I suggest your replace the head.

My 2¢
- Hope it was well spent :)

-Dave







R/Truck
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10/11/2001
13:15:58

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You will notice a 100% improvement in bass. It should sound great. What you should consider (if you are going to keep the factory system) is to invest in some bass blockers for the factory speakers. You can get these at most stereo shops for around $10 and they will keep your factory speaker from getting beaten to death, thus improving sound quality.



Quadster
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10/12/2001
09:34:43

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Thanks for the replies. It sounds like I need to go ahead and get a dash kit and install my Alpine head unit then run RCA to my sub amp. I have always been impressed with the JL Audio subs but have never owned any. What would be the best model for small sealed box? I want to run a single 12".
Hey Dave_K, is your Dak a 2001 model? Just wondered what your Alpine looked like installed in the 2001 dash.
Duwayne



Dave_K
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10/12/2001
10:38:16

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yeah it is... i think i got some pics up.
let me go find em...

Yep there they are!

My Car Stereo Installed

What cha think?
The kit doesnt look 1/2 bad does it!

-Dave



Dave_K
Dodge Dakota


10/12/2001
10:45:58

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BTW what i really like about this alpine head is that is:

It has 60 watts RMS and it has a bass forward feature. This moves all the bass to the front channel (Door speakers) and cuts the low out of the rear.

What this does is put the bass where the bass responds best in my truck. I have found that the bass that is there, comes from the door panel speakers - oddly enough.

some songs it doesnt sound great, becuase of how the speakers are set up. Some times it acutally removes more bass than it adds (rarely).

so i know when its best on and off. It sounds awesome. big improvement over stock.

Also! Check this out. If you have steering wheel audio controls you dont want to lose (the factory ones). Click Here to see a new device that uses the buttons on the wheel to replicate the remote control that you may have wiht your radio! It looks great. Sounds a tad dificult to install however.

But im sure you can figure it out. (on the to do list :) )

-dave



DarkFury
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10/12/2001
11:46:55

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I have an "amped" version of the Thunderform in my Dak (since I didn't have enough room to mount the amp I really wanted to use and I didn't want to lose any space in the extended cab as well) connected to the stock radio...

I must say...it makes a BIG difference from the stock sound! As a matter of fact, I would say it sounds "very good". Now this is not to say that adding an amped Thunderform is gonna make your Dak "competition" level, but if all you are wanting is some nice bass with little trouble, then the amped Thunderform is for you!

BTW, I have my "ground pounder" audio setup in my other vehicle, but guess what... I love driving my Dak as well and the bass provided by an amped Thunderform is more than sufficient for casual listening.



Quadster
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10/12/2001
14:59:25

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Good looking radio Dave. I think I will make a stop by Best Buy on the way home for the dash kit and wiring adapter. Does the stock system use an external amplifier or is it all in the head unit? Just wanted to be sure before I plug in my Alpine. It has 40 watts rms x 4 channels so it should make those stock Infinity speakers sing.
I wonder what the factory Infinity speakers are rated at for power? Also wonder how much power the factory head unit puts out? It sounds great but I've had my Dak for 6 months and it's time for more tunes!
Duwayne



kota4bye
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10/12/2001
15:03:38

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DarkFury,
What did you pay for that amped thunderform? and where?

Kota




R/Truck
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10/12/2001
15:09:14

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hifisoundconnection.com

$217 for the enclosure
$307 with the woofers
$429 full loaded with the amp

I bought mine thru them and everything was fine.



Dave_K
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10/12/2001
15:13:17

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I got my dash kit and harness and radio from Brandsmart. THey are almost like a stereo shop, but also like a best buy.

dont know if best buy / circuit city will have those things or not.

The head is 60watts RMS (internal amp in the radio).

Thanks for the compliment, i really love it, and since my Dak's silver, is a wicked match. and oh yeah, it made the Infinity's sing...

I have alot more of that Volume thing. Haha, i was told that the stock head had maybee 12 watts total (4 per channel) from brandsmart, but i dont know if thats true or not.

- Dave.



Quadster
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10/12/2001
16:05:43

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Can you give me a quick rundown on the radio install? I will do the install myself but don't wish to break parts before I start yanking trim pieces!
Duwayne



R/Truck
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10/12/2001
16:17:11

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Stereo shops charge $40 - 50 an hour. If you aren't familier with radio installs be carefull. A big old scratch across the dash, broken trim pieces, and bad installations are not worth saving $40.





Dave_K
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10/15/2001
07:17:36

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Lol!!

I didnt install it myself. I just know what they charged me for the Equip. it was a $40- install. Well worth it. I do know how to get teh dash off (cuase they didnt hook my head light switch right).

It was worth it. i didnt know how to do it (yet) on my truck, and if the truck got damaged, it was there problem.

Since then, i had to take off the dash (or pull it loose on teh left) as the harness to attach the head light switch came loose. They didnt put it on hard enough. My interior ligths on the switch didnt work, and my interior light brightness switch was not working.

Anyway, there are 2 screws above the spedomoter that come out (phillips) and then (if i remember right - i made him tell me how to do it!) the rest of the dash pops off with metal clips.

i would assume 2-4 phillips screws hold in the radio to the dash.


The harnass should be wired up to the radio and ready to go BEFORE you even open the dash up. Make sure you get all that done. Then it should be a quick Clip, and power up to make sure it works.

Then install it into the dash with the mount kit, and put the dash back on. It should be pretty easy. Just make sure you also put the dash kit together before you start the install. Check it for fit before you mount the radio, and be sure not to scratch the dash or radio!

GL
- Dave




Quadster
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10/15/2001
10:17:51

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Thanks Dave_K. I stopped by Best Buy this weekend and they did indeed have the exact dash kit that was used in your Dak. I got the dash kit, wiring adapter and patch cords for the radio install. Now I need the sub and a box! There are a lot of choices on the market for subs but I intend to try a JL Audio this time. I have used many others with Kicker being the best I used but, JL Audio has been winning the crank it contests and I've never heard a bad system with JL Audio subs.
Thanks.

Duwayne



Dave_K
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10/15/2001
11:28:39

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Back in the college days, i had a friend who had a ford festiva, he had 2 10" solobaric subs int eh rear. They sounded great! but when i heard another of my frineds 2 10" jl's i could really hear a difference.

I am prob going to save up for the 8" stealth box instead of the thunderform.

My 2 cents.

Dave.



R/Truck
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10/15/2001
11:53:19

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Buy the MTX thunderform enclosure and put some JL Audio subs in it. Two JL 10s are better the one 8.



Dave_K
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10/15/2001
12:26:40

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I disagree with you...

2 10's may sound worst than 1 8...

The thunderform has 1.8ft3 of space to be used...
lets assumet hat .9ft3 each right?

JL's 10W0 requires 2.45ft3 each
JL's 10W1 requires 3.36FT3 each
JL's 10W3 requires 1.66FT3 each
JL's 10W6 ewquires 2.38FT3 each

So none of the 10's they make have the availability of going in such a small box. If you did use them, they would not have enough space to make the best sound they can, in that case, the speakers MTX put in would probably sound best.

so IMO one 8" correctly sized sub can sound better than two 10" incorectly sized subs.

But you could probably build a costom box and have enough room for 1 10W3 or maybee 1 10W6...

Dave.




DarkFury
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10/15/2001
13:07:32

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Ummm... I just realized something. Hey Quadster, by your name, do you by chance own a Quad Cab Dakota...?

If so, then forget what we said about the Thunderforms, since I don't think they make a version for the Quad Cab Dakota...



R/Truck
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10/15/2001
13:19:31

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JL Audio 10W0 and 10W1 subs:

Sealed Enclosure Range: 0.50-0.90 cu.ft. (14.0-25.5 liters. The 10w6 requires even less space. You must be looking at the 15" subs.

If you think a single 8 will make you happy then go for it.



Dave_K
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10/15/2001
14:39:55

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DarkFury> Your right, no thunderform for the Quads...

R/Truck> Oops! Your right! i was reading Vas!! You are right, they acutally might work out pretty well for it.

Might be worth the 229 i saw it listed for...

Is it fiber glass? or particle board?
anyone seen mouting specs?

Dave




R/Truck
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10/15/2001
15:36:22

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If your talking about the MTX box then it is made of plastic, very tough plastic. Go to MTX website and they describe it very well. I think you can mount almost any normal sub in it. Except for those monster magnet subs.



Quadster
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10/15/2001
17:23:43

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I DO own a Quad Cab and I knew you were talking about the Club Cab for the Thunderform. I have decided that I will make my own box and mount it in the driver rear seat area (with the seat in the up position). 95% of the time I only carry myself, one or two passengers. If I need to carry three passengers, I want to be able to quick disconnect it for removal.
I just went to Best Buy at lunch and checked out the Q Logic boxes...not what I was expecting. They are made of particle board instead of MDF and the deminsions are not exactly what I need to go in the spot I have.
I'm starting to get some differences of opinion now on the JL Audio subs so I'm still shopping for the perfect sub!
Duwayne



R/Truck
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10/15/2001
17:32:44

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Go to some car audio stores, they always have a ton of pre-built MDF boxes for sale. You can have one built for a price that is about the same as the Best Buy boxes. What area do you live in, maybe I can help you find something.



DarkFury
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10/16/2001
00:49:35

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kota4bye...

Sorry about missing your question to me earlier... (Must've been all the posts since then)

I got my Amped Thunderform from Digital Wavez (http://www.digitalwavez.com/) for about $390 shipped.

They don't currently have the "amped" version listed on the site, but if you ask for them, they can get them... (here's a link to their "loaded version" for $269.95 plus shipping)

They shipped mine out pretty quick and the service was excellent... BTW, they also extended my warranty on my Thunderform out to 2 years, which is an additional year over the manufacturer warranty. Overall, I was very pleased with them.



Quadster
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10/16/2001
10:07:10

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Hey R/Truck, I'm in Dallas. There are several car audio shops around town so I guess I need to shop a few of them. I need something fairly specific to go in the small spot that I have so it may be costly. If the price was right and the box was built well, I would just go ahead and buy it. The more I shop, the more brands and series of subs I find so my brain's going numb! I just want great bass in a small package for a good price...am I asking too much!?!? I guess I need testimonials. The last sub I ran was a Polk EX 12 and it was ok. I would still like to run a single 12 but I want it to really hit. Any suggestions?
Duwayne



R/Truck
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10/16/2001
10:37:16

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Your best bet is to do some research on the web. Set a price you want to pay and shop that market. Good subs are not one particular brand but what sounds good to you, fits your box, and spending limit. Go shop a few stereo shops, listen to what other guys have in their car, then build your box to fit that particular sub.

Good Subs: JL Audio, MTX, Kicker, Alpine, just about all the big name brands make a good sub. Just be careful with the ones that cost less then $100. Another thing is to determine how much power you will feed that sub. If you will be using low power then don't buy a monster sub it won't sound good. High end subwoofers require a lot of power to make big sound.

BTW - I'm in Houston.



Dave_K
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10/16/2001
11:13:51

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I dont know R/Truck,

Why not just run the Sub off the head unit? Haha!

Dave



R/Truck
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10/16/2001
11:16:03

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Dave_K

What in the hell does that mean?



Dave_K
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10/16/2001
12:11:14

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im just agreeing with you, if you dont put the right power on it, you might as well run it off the head unit (Which obviously doesnt work)...

It was sarcasm, but facial expressions and voice tone unfortunatly dont cut it here...

Lol. Thats all...
Not knockin on you or anything.

Dave



R/Truck
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10/16/2001
12:14:13

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It is hard to note any sarcasm on the net, it always come over as someone just being a smart ass. Thanks for backing me up on that.






dropt98dakota
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10/28/2001
15:45:07

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Yes you can add subs to a factory system, I had 4 12" subs hooked to my factory cd player and hit 142.6db. I did it by getting a line converter, converts high level to RCA, hooked the high level to the rear channels of the stock cd then ran the rca's from the cenverter to the amp.



bLaZe
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11/01/2001
23:57:20

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I used my factory cd player and ran 2 solobaric 15 inch subs,Powered by a memphis d-1000 amp. Tested at 147.8 decibels. I know that sounds high for stock but i saw the reading myself. I have since put in a panosonic 4 volt cd player, made a big difference in bass and sound quality. The main prob with runnin factory cd player is that the voltage sucks a$$. I think its sumthing like 1.5 volts and when u run that thru a step down your loosin even more voltage and when ur amp is set up to run off 4 volts, It just dont cut it. Anyway hope that helps.




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