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| chris GenIII   1/02/2001 00:14:09 |
 Subject: Gen-II IntakeIP: Logged Message: I am looking for a Gen-II..anyone know where i can get a good deal on one??? Chris DeCrease '97 Dakota 3.9 |
| Bernd GenIII 1/02/2001 08:44:59 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: http://www.autoparts.com - Parts Locator Service I noticed that your signature has a Gen-III listed...are you trying to modify the existing setup or do you have an older (Pre'95) Dakota as well? Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/02/2001 15:49:14 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Bernd, I think I made it a little confusing...i only have the '97 Dak. I was refering to a Gen-II intake for it. Chris DeCrease '97 Dakota 3.9 |
| Bernd GenIII 1/02/2001 16:12:25 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Ok...ya lost me. You want to install a Gen-II intake on a Gen-III? If that's it, you'll need to modify the intake and plug the EGR port. If not...can you clarify a little bit or explain what you're trying to do? Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/02/2001 18:20:23 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Oh man, I think I have this one all screwed up..I was talking about the K& N cold air intake...thought it was called Gen-II...if i'm wrong..please tell me what i'm looking for....sorry about the mess....thanks, Bernd. Chris DeCrease '97 Dakota 3.9 |
| Bernd GenIII 1/02/2001 18:32:04 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Ooooohhhhh....yes, it IS called a Gen-II. (Didn't realize that you were talking about the K&N Gen-II Intake.) ;) Truck Performance carries them (http://www.truckperformance.com). The V8 system fits on the V6 with only minor trimming on the intake tube. - Bernd Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/02/2001 19:19:32 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Yea...having my signature as a Gen I didn't help either..at least now we cleared it up..Thanks Bernd!! Chris DeCrease '97 Dakota 3.9 |
| chris GenIII 1/02/2001 19:25:33 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Do you think it will fit ok with the 3" body lift??I can't imagine that it wouldn't..And the intake tube, is it just rubber??? Chris DeCrease '97 Dakota 3.9 3"Body Lift 33"TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 00:24:29 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Nope...you'll have to cut the heat shield and bend a few places on it. I ran into that problem with my old Gen-II Intake. (I have a 2" Body Lift) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 08:19:50 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Is there much of a loss in going with Tony's intake?? He said that his will fit witout having to modify. Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 08:41:42 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: The differences between the other intake tube systems and the K&N Gen-II are two mainly: (1) The K&N uses a 4" Tube rather than a 3 - 3.5" Tube (2) K&N Uses a redesigned airhat and heat shield system that gets the cold air fron the fender I haven't heard of any losses with the QuickD system and there's many who are very happy with it. Regardless of what you decide on, most systems are better than the stock system. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 08:57:48 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: I wonder if Tony's is a 3.5"?? If it is I think I'm going to get it..I'm just too busy right now to mess with modifing the K&N, plus I have hardly NO tools. Sounds like I'm gonna e-mail Tony...thanks Bernd Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 10:19:11 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: I think it is. If you want some extra "Cold Air" coming into the filter, you can remove the rubber flap on the passenger-side of the radiator. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 10:48:08 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Yea, I saw something like that where someone took a dryer duct and cut a hole in the air box..also cut the flap to make a functional ram air for under $5. Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 11:08:09 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Be careful when you refer to "Ram Air". The design of our trucks and the speeds required for true Ram-Air is out of our reach. A simple dryer duct won't do it. "Cold Air Induction" is the better choice. ;) (Ram-Air doesn't happen until after a minimum of 100+mph...and then at only .1psi boost...Dragsters achieve close to 1psi boost but at speeds exceeding 250mph and with the aerodynamics built in for that effect.) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/03/2001 12:29:11 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Hello Cris-are you the Chris with the bad Cat.If so, did you get it fixed.In my opinion...any improvement you can make to your ride is a gain...no matter how small it might be.With out trying to under mine BERND,in my opinion Ram Air does help at much slower speeds....As I said,EVER LITTLE BIT HELPS for the people that don't have the Big Bucks Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 15:51:38 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: There is no such thing as "Ram Air" at slow speeds...just Cold Air Induction. (The cooler air is more dense and helps to produce more power.) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/03/2001 16:23:43 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Bernd-I must be bored...but why does GM and FORD call it Ram Air.There should be a disclaimer saying it is not Ram Air in-tell you go past 100 mph.HeHeHe Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 17:17:38 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: It's been a term that's been mis-used for many years...even by Dodge. (But then again, those cars are very capable of 100+mph) hehehe Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 19:37:50 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Hello Bob, yes it is me..i'm still waiting on the cat(on back order). Should be in about a week or so..anyway..i guess the cold-air induction does make sense as opposed to ram-air. So, here's a question..my fiance(just got engaged this x-mas eve)has a 2000 Trans Am...we got the ram air hood for it and was considering completing the package with the ram air kit..but, would it be true that the ram air wouldn't have any effect until after 100mph(and believe me, it'll do it and plenty more)??...or do the aerodynamics of sports cars make a difference?? Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/03/2001 20:25:38 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Cris con graduation,stay with number one,trust me on that...I'm on number three.In my opinion,Bernd is full of beans on the subject of Ram Air...I have a (Cervini's) Ram Air hood on my Mustang,that is functional(with kit) and it does work at all speeds.I did notice a big gain in seat of your pants HP...what I don't like about mine is that I can't drive it in the hard rain.I don't think aerodynamics plays a big part in Ramming the air in the unit. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 21:01:22 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Hey Bob, do you have any pictures of the mustang??..I'd love to see them. Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 21:28:36 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: They're not "Ram-Air"...the seat of the pants that you're feeling is the cooler, more dense air. "All cars, except Indy and dragsters, have a number of problems in getting cool air to the intake system. The NACA ducts and ram air intakes attempt to provide cool air to the air filter box mounted on the top of the engine with a design to reduce overall drag, not pressure. In some installations, after all of the right angle turns, passing over radiators and other flow disturbances, its amazing that cars have as much power as they do. Basic aerodynamics dictate that when air is channeled through turns and bends in our intakes without veins, efficiency losses are tremendous. Don't be fooled by ram air suggestions. Even a highly efficient hood scoop out of the boundary layer of air flow like a dragster, is really only effective above 100 mph." Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 21:56:18 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Yes Bob, you are correct with the aerodynamics coming into play on the "Ram Air" hoods...but not at low speeds...that's Cold Air Induction. "..every five degrees you drop your air intake tempreture you increase your hp by 1%. EG. A 200hp engine that has the air intake temperature dropped 10 degrees will pick up 4 hp by this change alone, this is due to the fact that the air is denser/cooler." And straight from GM: "...The identical times for the Z28 and the Firehawk are explained by the Ram-Air not being a significant factor contributing to horsepower until speeds beyond 80 mph or so." Automotive Physics: "...In an engine, it takes work to push or pull the air through your intake system, through the intake manifold, past the valves, into the cylinder, and them pump the exhaust gasses out. The engine is literally an air pump. In a turbo or supercharged system, it requires significant energy to compress and push that air with positive pressure through the engine. No ram air system below 300mph will develop significant enough positive pressure to act as true forced induction, maintaining positive pressure compared to ambient all the way to the cylinder. Indeed, at wide open throttle at redline, most ram air systems are actually reducing air flow, because the engine needs far more air than the sealed ducting + "ram air pressure" will provide." Ok...last one: "Ram air device can also provide forced induction. When the car is travelling in speed, air will be forced into the engine manifold through the ram air inlet which usually locates on the top of bonnet. That create a slightly higher pressure than normal aspiration. In fact, you can see ram air devices whenever you watch motor racing. The air box in every formula 1 race cars and the roof air inlet of GT race cars are all ram air devices. A Formula 1 engineer said a typical air box can gain 20 horse power when the car is running at 200 kph." 200 Kilometers per hour equals 124.27 Miles per hour "Believe it or not" ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 22:02:01 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Man....talk about doing your homework..whew!! Anyhow...education is always appreciated...Thanks Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| commish Unregistered 1/03/2001 22:22:17 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: man o man do youn guys need lives |
| chris GenIII 1/03/2001 22:27:11 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: oh, we have lives...we just live out of our trucks...hehe Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/04/2001 00:18:20 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: "Bonk" (Hitting head on underside of hood)...Huh? Hey man...we've got lives...like Chris said. ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/04/2001 15:34:54 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: commish-I have a live...I Thank God Every Day For That Live (thank you).The more I wind Bernd up the more I learn.I think Bernd is full off beans at times,but he all ways backs up what he says. Chris, I do have pictures of my Mustang,I'm going to have some one set up my web site for me...I don't have a scanner and I don't know any thing about PCs.Thanks Bernd for that answer...know I need reread it to figure out what you said. HeHeHe 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| chris GenIII 1/04/2001 15:38:32 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Yea Bob, I know what you mean...i'm not real sure about setting up pics either..but i'm learning..i want to put pics of my old mustang, my dak, and the old lady's TA on a site...if you get them up, let me know.. Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bernd GenIII 1/04/2001 15:57:06 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: If you don't have a scanner, you can take the pictures (or negatives) to your local photo-store and have them put them onto a CD. That way, you can transfer them to a website in JPG format. (Or, go to Kinko's and scan them onto a floppy or ZIP drive.) Definitely want to see the older 'Stangs...That's one car that I respect...a lot more than those newer Mustangs...yech. (And not just because I used to work on them.) (So Bob...that's your master-plan eh?) hehehe Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/04/2001 18:45:11 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Chris mistake number one...don't call her an old lady.HeHeHe Bernd thanks for that information...i didn't know that.I bought to web sites and I need to get some thing on them soon.My very first new car was a 1966 Mustang 2dr. 289 cu 200 hp 4spd...the first thing I did was put a 4 barrow and 1957 9in 354 gear,twice pips.I know what you all are thinking...we must be a old #@$%^ . Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bernd GenIII 1/04/2001 20:36:58 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Bob's right. Never Ever call he "The Old Lady"...at least not around any of her friends. ;) Just knod your head, say "Yes Dear", and forget it ever happened. I'm on #2 with four children...stick with #1...it get's expensive! Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| chris GenIII 1/04/2001 22:06:36 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: OH, she does not mind..she calls me "the old man" all the time..she actually finds it cute, but hey, this isn't the marriage forum....hehehe Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/05/2001 03:23:33 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Chris you are right,I will stop talking about the marriage thing.(Boring)Lets talk about Dakotas.Do you know what I like best about my truck?It don't talk back!HeHe Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| chris GenIII 1/05/2001 14:10:48 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: You said it there Bob...my Dak doesn't require near as much maintance and a wife...hehe...I'm going to call my dealership today to find out if my cat is coming anytime soon...wish me luck Chris DeCrease 97 Dak 3.9 Sport 5-sp 3"Body Lift 33"BFG TA ko's |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/05/2001 18:33:49 | RE: Gen-II Intake IP: Logged Message: Chris I wish you lock,let us know how everthing works out. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
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