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Ian
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4/12/2004
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Could buy h.o. rods and pistons though, ever checked those out?
http://www.wjjeeps.com/engine.htm#PISTONS
That engine is seriously done up, full race buildup pretty much, DC planning to supercharge that and drop it the next Dak or what?
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Ian
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4/12/2004
23:48:15
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Oh that's right Wiplash, not only are there h.o. rods and pistons, but ross makes higher compression light weight pistons too, can buy them from KRC actually.
"Custom 4.7L Pistons (allow 2-3 weeks) $849
4.7L non-XL .020 8.6 comp w/ revised ring lands, tapered pins
4.7L (XL) .020 9.3 comp w/ revised ring lands, tapered pins
4.7L (XL) .020 11. comp w/ revised ring lands, tapered pins"
Why do you always put your foot in your mouth Wiplash, cry me a river with you doggin the 4.7 and go play with that boat anchor of an engine in your r/t.
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jeremy
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4/12/2004
23:51:28
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my friend says she, ya she, has a 2001 dakota with a 4.7 with a turbo from summit...she also says it does a 10 sec 1/4 with her driving. i am calling BS, what do you think
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TexasTodd
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4/13/2004
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I think Duner is in the low 12's, with his homebrew turbo, so yea,
I think 'she's' flying that flag pretty high on the pole!
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WipLash
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4/14/2004
00:39:56
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IAN,
I think you just made my point.....
$850.00 for a set of "CUSTOM" pistons.
I can rebuild an entire 350sbc for that price.
I suppose I can go to AutoZone or Advanced and have that $850.00 set of pistons delivered the next day?
You can have ANYTHING custom made if you have enough money.
I don't have to have anything made for my 5.9L. All I have to do is walk into a parts store and start ordering parts. Lets see...Do I want TRW, Manely, Crower, Keith Black, or some cheapo part?
Why do you and so many other 4.7L owners get so bent out of wack every time some one STATES THE FACTS?
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Ian
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4/14/2004
01:40:04
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Wiplash you are the biggest joke on this board, you put your foot in your mouth daily. If you look at what point it was you were making you said, "Another reason the engine will be expensive to rebuild is the lack of aftermarket rods and pistons. Right now the only way to replace a piston is to have one made or buy the piston and rod as an assembly. Also, there are no over sized piston/rod assemblies available even from DC"
Actually, as I showed before...ross pistons already makes aftermarket pistons, 3 different kinds actually, and thus your statement that "the only way to replace a piston is to have one made or buy the piston and rod as an assembly" is clearly false. Ross already has them made, and sold quite separately from the rod.
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WipLash
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4/14/2004
13:58:22
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IAN,
You said......
"Custom 4.7L Pistons (allow 2-3 weeks) $849 "
If Ross already has them in stock it wouldn't take 2-3 weeks for them to be delivered. Ross is a custom piston manufacture. They will make you any piston you want if the price is right.
I don't know about anyone else, but $849.00 is expensive for a set of pistons unless you are racing.
The dealer isn't going to order a set of pistons from ROSS to rebuild a 4.7L. If a 4.7L needs an overbore they just replace the engine. They don't bother even remanufacturing the 4.7L because DC doesn't offer an over sized piston/rod assembly.
I can buy a complete remanufactored 5.9L short block for $995.00. That's without doing much searching. I can probably find one cheaper than that.
To argue that the 4.7L is cheaper to rebuild and buy parts for than the 5.9L is like arguing that the 5.9/5.2L is cheaper than a 350sbc. The pistons for the 5.9L have been available for 30 years and are a dime-a-dozen.
I bet I can buy a set of .020" over pistons for my 5.9L and still have enough money left over to do the machine work on the block and the crank and put all new rings, seals and gaskets for a complete short block for under $1,000.00.
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WipLash
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4/14/2004
14:25:57
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MOPP5007739 ........$299.95
This is at MANCINI Racing. It's the first place I look for parts since I know they stock Dodge parts.
$849.00 - 299.95= $549.05...........
I think I can do the rest of the bottom end for $550.00.
I'm sure I can find pistons cheaper than $300.00. That is a Mopar part number I referenced. They are typically the most expensive cast pistons.
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SCOTT
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I have a 2000 dodge dakota with a 4.7 in it. I very happy with it. I gets me down the road very well and huals what I need to move.
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Trukguy
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4/16/2004
19:17:40
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Why would you compare the cost of stock cast 5.9 pistons vs custom forged 4.7 pistons? That sounds like apples vs oranges to me.
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scott
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4/17/2004
19:16:23
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The 5.9 engine has been around for years. So the 5.9 engine to Dodge is like 5.7 is to Chevy or 5.0 is to Ford. It is an engine that will be gone sooner or Later.
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scott
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4/17/2004
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The 5.9 engine has been around for years. So the 5.9 engine to Dodge is like 5.7 is to Chevy or 5.0 is to Ford. It is an engine that will be gone sooner or Later.
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WipLash
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4/18/2004
00:36:59
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Scott,
You can argue all day why you should choose one engine over the other, but the fact that they don't make the 360 anymore is about the worst reason to choose the 4.7L. They quit making the 440 25years ago and there are more 440/383 parts available today than there ever has been.
The 426 was gone for 30 years and now you can buy a brand new 426HEMI crate engine from the dealer.
You can also get a 409ci stroker kit from the dealer for the 360 for $1,295.00. That includes a a factory stroker crank, performance aftermarket rods, bearings, rings, and a set of FORGED pistons.
What does DC offer for the 4.7L?
If they really want to promote this engine as a viable replacement for the 5.2L, then they need to step up the performance parts program for the 4.7L.
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Ian
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4/18/2004
04:52:23
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How about a 265hp/325lbs/tq h.o. version of the 4.7 as far as DC bringing out performance parts for the engine? That's a solid smog legal 35hp/30lbs/tq uncrease, not shabby at all.
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WipLash
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4/18/2004
21:37:24
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IAN,
Those aren't upgrades. Those parts already come on production models (Jeep G.C.). You can't call something that comes stock on a vehicle a factory or aftermarket upgrade. It's a good option. But, when you are finished putting these HO parts on your 4.7L you are only as good as a factory 4.7L Jeep.
The 409 stroker kit, M1 intake, and R/T heads are perfect examples of upgrades available from the factory and the aftermaket on the 5.9L. These parts don't come as an option on any production vehicle (unfortunately).
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Ian
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4/19/2004
19:23:05
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KRC has aftermarket heads for the 4.7 not available on a production vehicle, hughes engines has a ported intake manifold as well. There are several different camshaft options, flash programs, aps makes aftermarket torque converters and underdrive pullies, ross makes custom pistons, several tb upgrades available, gsmotorsports custom true dual exhaust, what else do you want? Who cares if it comes from Mopar or an entrepenuer? What is the cause of your desire to defame the grand 4.7?
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hambone
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6/17/2005
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Anybody here use AutoRX anti sludge treatment?
My other car is a Turbo Passat and a lot of the
owners at passatworld.com swear by the stuff.
I tried some and after the final cleaning phase
the oil looked much cleaner.
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ram4.7
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10/20/2005
21:32:13
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I think so . I've been driving a 2002 ram with the 4.7 , No real engine problem except a tap or slight knock from engine when fired up cooled. Also a leak in the radiator .I used mobil 1 in it for 30,000 miles so far .
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jayb
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10/20/2005
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i would rather have a 5.2L over a 4.7L anyday. the 5.2L has a huge track record. the 4.7 doesnt. and ive read countless problems with the 4.7L. if i had the 4.7L(for some reason), i would defend it too. everyone wants to think their vehicle is the best. even the geo metro guys have something to say....
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hi jay
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10/21/2005
15:33:59
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No one asked about your 5.2; and a lot of 4.7 ownwers have read about countless problems with that 5.2. The 4.7 just hasn't been out as long to have a long track record but it was designed for longevity and many have racked up a lot of problem free miles. May well prove to be as reliable, or more reliable as the 5.2.
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