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DakMan2000
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1/09/2002
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Anyone who has unusual and early brake wear with warped drums/rotors on 2000 Dakotas interested in a lawsuit? I am no lawyer but I have a friend who is and I was going to approach him about this situation. I have 2000 4.7 SLT with 14K and my truck’s breaks are also crap. This started as soon as 10K and it is only getting worse. I have had the rotors turned twice by Dodge but still no long-term relief. I am not looking for money, I just want descent brakes for my truck. We may not have a leg to stand on, but I want to at least check it out. Anyone interested?



Curt
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1/09/2002
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at 20k miles my brakes were shot( and still are), warped rotors and just a thought, both pads were worn on the front (not the rear of the pad).

'00 SLT, 4.7, auto, CC, 3.55 LSD, Flowmaster and homemade air intake



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1/10/2002
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Mine at 12000Km went, they said it was due to hard driving, WTF it is a truck, and it is supposed to handle rough driving
'00 Sport, 4.7, 4x4
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1/10/2002
00:11:08

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mine are shot at 8000!!!!! beat that...mine is an
01 though...I thought about calling the
dealership, but I know they are gonna tell me I
drive too hard, just by looking at the mods I
have. I hate that squeak, it sounds like I'm
driving a 7 year old truck, not a 7 month old
truck!

D
01/4.7/CC3.55/airaid/dynomax/TBspacer/
JetStage2/DJMdrop3-6/pegleg :(



Wayne
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1/10/2002
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What is the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead lawyer in the road? ans: Black tire marks by the skunk where they tried to stop before hitting him. No thanks on the class action stuff. My butt is still sore from the screwing I took from the last class action suit I was involved in. Lawyer got rich - I got nothing, nada, zip, zero. You get the picture?



Wayne D.
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1/10/2002
13:16:56

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It's not just the Dakota,but Chrysler in general. Ok- Let me back that up. I bought a new Plymouth Voyager in 1988- the front driver brake was smoking after the test drive. The sales guy said- "Don't worry that's normal break in" He must have seen me coming. In less that 30K I replaced the front pads 3 times and the driver's side rotor once. Also, I have friends that have Chrysler products and the one thing that we all have in common is -if there's nothing else worth while doing.. we can always help each other work on his or hers brakes. My brand new 2001 Dakota is already showing signs of problems yet to come. In seeing that it has 1750 miles on it, I'm being pretty understandable. Heck, If you can get 500 miles out of a set...you're doing pretty good. (Just kidding). As for me, I'm going to wait, the 3 year- 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warrenty will be used. Is the 7 year - 100,00 warrenty worth the paper it's written on after the 3 year one quits? Does any of this change my opinion on my truck- Heck, no. This just gives me more time to spend with it. Might even kick around the idea of having the garage wired for cable.

See ya.



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1/12/2002
00:37:09

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I think the 2002 have different larger rotars now. I put powerslots after 3 sets of rotars in 30 K miles



joe
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10/01/2002
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my brakes suck too fronts are warped. they said sorry brakes are not in the warrenty. 2001 dakota 5.9 at 25k miles



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10/01/2002
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mine where **** too i got knew ones and they were also ****. The breaks are just to small or they stink



Brandon
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10/01/2002
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I dont have a Dakota, almost bought the R/T but went for a Sport, anyway, after about 13k my brakes were shot, pads gone and rotors warped. I turned the rotors and bought new pads, now I'm stuck with the same problem but an annoying squeek.

01 Ram Quad Cab Sport, 360, Accel coil, JET Stage II chip, Jet 180 stat, MSD 9.5mm wires, K&N 2nd Gen FIPK, Flowmasters, Borla headers, Richmond 4.10 ring and pinion, Comp Cams magnum 360 cam, Hellwig rear sway bar. (thinking about gettin a set of the R/T heads, anyone know if it'd be worth it?)



JIM
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10/01/2002
21:35:55

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36k on my 2000 dackota sport and I still have a good bit of meat on 'em.



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10/02/2002
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I custom ordered my truck with the heavy duty braking system, larger rotors and drums. I torque my lug nuts down to 100 ftlb's, and mine are as solid as the day I started. and since I have lowered my truck it stops even better, because of the even weight distribution. I changed tires this weekend and went back to stocks, and noticed that it will break loose faster on hard acceleration. So I figure that the stopping power has decreased. I haven't noticed it yet. I more than likely break harder than any one on this board, due to higher highway speeds, and they are still fine. Check the nut torque when you rotate tires.

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Jeff
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10/02/2002
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I warped my first set of 2000 Dak rotors in 1500 miles. Dealer turned them and at 3000 they were junk at 5000. Dealer refused to repair them again so I said to heck with them and bought some Powerslots.... 65,000 warp free miles later I know it's not my driving that warped the stock rotors - they just SUCK!

I'd join in the lawsuit and have all my paperwork to back it up. Usually I hate lawsuits but when Dodge told me it was MY fault the brakes kept warping it really made me mad. Somebody needs to let them know selling an inferior product is NOT acceptable. If I wanted inferior I would've kept my S10 :) (which never warped a rotor)

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10/02/2002
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I got 98 Dak and IN 7000 miles I spent 800 dollars to have all new brakes up front two rotors and calipers were also fried. It was in the shop 3 days before for a recall on brake clip(front) and rear axle vent tube. I took it back to the dealer and said WTF, and basically told me to F-Off. Wife's 2000 Caravan sport has third sets of brakes on it now in 28000 miles. Becarful when you buy a Chrysler. I recommend going to a better braking system from day 1. This will save you grief down the road.



Texas Todd
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10/02/2002
09:13:29

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01 QC 4.7 5spd

~25K on it now, brakes aren't smooth like they should be. I know it's warped rotors, haven't torn into it yet. The brakes are only under warranty for the first 12K! Didn't have a problem then. I'd be intersted, e-mail me.



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10/02/2002
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Hahahahah! I've got 57,000 miles on the factory pads and rotors..... Yeah, mine warp from the heat when I drag it down from 120 mph, but whenever I start to think "Damn I gotta fix these things" they just usually fade back to smooth & normal. Can't explain it... sorta like the pads have machined the rotors back to spec....

hahahahha

Still thinking about the Powerslot/Ceramic option whenever these wear out...

Anyone running that combo? Price? Performance? Better ideas?



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10/02/2002
10:26:37

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I've got roughly 8,000 miles on my truck and my front brakes squeal like horny hillbillies in Appalacia. I'll eventually upgrade the pads and rotors.


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10/02/2002
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I`m like yates-in-De, I got the upgraded brakes that come with the 2000 pound payload capacity but I think its only the rear drums that are bigger,I beleive the fronts are all the same,my fronts squeaked like crazy till I rotated the tires and tourqed all the lugs to 85 FP,they were so FN tight like one of our rookie tire busters had cranked em with the impact set at max



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10/02/2002
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Dealer finally had to replace my rotors at after they had been turned 2 times. If I remember right it was at 12k when they got replaced. The brake pads were ok though, in fact I just changed the pads at 70k for the first time ever. Had a slight wobble in front end so had rotors turned again at 68K and did the pads right after that.

I am guessing the dealer put REAL rotors on when they replaced mine after they had been turned twice by them already.



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10/02/2002
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Mines an 01 quad. After 23,000 km my brakes are fine. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones.



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10/02/2002
14:05:27

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Ok, I just fixed my brake problem. My rotors would only warp after highway driving - probably because that is the only time I drive it alot. Didn't catch it at first then had them machined and during a trip to FL from PA I noticed the warp - about half way down.

So I figured the fronts are dragging, jacked it up and spun the wheel - no noticeable drag. But I knew the problem and the cause. This fix works but should ONLY be done by someone who is competent.

I took off the rotors and replaced them with $27 autozone rotors (didn't want to spend much in case the fix didn't work). Next I reamed the caliper pins rubber boot out till the pins would almost fall through. Reinstall the rotors and pad (after deglazing pads) and calipers. Used a good amount of anti seize on the caliper pins and slides.
Next removed the master cylinder and wound the adjuster in 1 turn then reinstall the master cylinder.
Next went to FL and back again this time towing a 1500# trailer, No WARP.

I have run into this years ago as a tech where the master cylinder adjuster is too tight thus not allowing full brake release. You can feel the difference in normal driving.

Now I know there are going to be naysayers and that is fine, but it worked for me and my problem.

Class action suits are for chumps! Unless you are the lawyer, they'll get millions you might get a %10 coupon. LOL

Jeff



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10/02/2002
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i guess i was lucky .. i got 100,000 kms out of mine ..

ryan
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10/04/2002
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Bought my 2000 Dak used 6 months ago, the front pads and rotors were metal-metal. Replaced with Autozone (el-cheap'o) pads and rotors to get me by, rotors warped in 5000 miles. AZ warrantied the pads and rotors, installed the AZ parts again. Drove from NV to WI and back, 4000 miles, and noticed that the rotors would warp and then straignten out??? Have about 8000 miles on this set of front brakes and they are smooth again, but for how long. Goint to replace with Powerstop drilled rotors next time.
DW



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10/04/2002
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I got the big brakes on mine also, 9K miles, no problems yet.


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10/05/2002
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The problem with the Dak front brakes isn't the front brakes, it's the rear. I have a 91' with 170K miles on it and have had plenty of time to learn how to correct the brake issues (It's been the same with every other rear-drum braked car or truck I've owned).

The rear brakes are the same cheap crappy design that has been in use for years. When your Dak is new you rear brakes are adjusted to work properly from the factory. After about 5-8K miles, the rear start to wear and go out of adjustment. As this happens, more of the braking force gets transmitted to your front brakes (you will notice your front end diving more under normal braking). The front overheat, warp and eventually wear out prematurely. I am sure as thrifty as Chrysler is, they design the front brakes to handle 60-70% of the braking duty, not the 80-95% that gets placed on them after the rear go out of adjustment. The rear brakes come with these worthless little devices called "self-adjusters". They are supposed to turn the adjuster screw out to re-adjust the brake shoes to compensate for wear. This is supposed to occur every time you backup. Unless you backup fast and brake hard, they don't adjust. Even if you backup and brake hard you have a 50/50 chance of them adjusting. They just don't work worth a crap. My 2001 does the same exact thing as my 91'. I have to crawl my a$$ under the truck, remove the inspection plug, and manually adjust the rear with a flat head screw driver or brake adjuster tool. About 2-3 clicks every 5000 miles does it. I usually do it at oil change time. I ordered my 01' with the heavy duty brake for this reason, but it still does not keep me from having to manually adjust the rear.

Chrylser finally wised up and went with rear disk on the 03' Daks. The rear calipers on 4 wheel disk systems have threaded pistons, so they don't retract when the pedal is released. Only the brake pressure is relieved.

Those of you having front brake problems, inspect the rear and make sure they are adjusted correctly. With the wheels off the ground, there should be just light contact between the shoe and the drum. If you can spin the wheel freely and not hear any contact, they need to be adjusted. The truck will no longer dive under normal braking and the pedal pressure will be firmer....for about 5-8000 miles before you have to do it again.

Good Luck.

-Muzzy

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10/05/2002
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Well said Muzzy, self adjusters, there's an oxymoron for you!

I've used never-seize, white lube, etc. to no avail, they still freeze up, gotta adjust them yourself, just as you said.


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10/05/2002
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With older cars and trucks in the past I have had good luck using the automatic adjusters ( if they are not rusted up).
Apply the parking brake halfway then do the backing up and slamming on the brakes.
If you have the time....doing is manually and adjusting them evenly is better.

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10/05/2002
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Yes, the rear self adjusters suck. I alway feel more difference in braking when I adjust them than with any of the rotor/pad changes I've done.

Alex, on the PowerSlot/ceramic pads combo. DO NOT do it. The PowerSlots are fine, but don't use the ceramic pads. They hold the heat in more, and cause warping or as in my case, cracked rotors. I cracked a set of Powerslots with the ceramic pads, and PowerSlot woudl not warrnty them because of the ceramic pads. I also cracked a set of Reybesto's rotors with the Ceramic pads. Do not use ceramic pads, use the cheap semi-metalic pads. They work.





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10/05/2002
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I had the same problems with my brakes, the front discs and the rear drums. So I did the rear disc brake conversion and no more problems. Do a search for some of my posts and you'll see why I did it. And for those that disagree with the conversion, why do the 2003 dakotas have rear discs, if the drums were so wonderful.

Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.

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10/06/2002
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Good day, Gentlemen:

Muzzy is correct. I own a 97 Ram 1500 V6 Auto. I bought it as a work truck, delivering the local paper early in the morning, for about 2.5 years. My front brakes went constantly, pads, sometimes rotors, 3, 4 times a year, covered by warranty till 36, 000 miles. After the warranty came off, had to replace the rear drums, I found a used pair, one drum had been replaced earlier, under warranty. Finally I took out the self-adjusters, should have done it a LOT earlier. Stopped the newspaper delivery thing 3 years ago, haven't had to do the brakes at all since then. I adjust the brakes about once a year. BTW, I used a '77 Chevy heavy-half as my delivery truck before I bought the ram. I had normal wear and tear on its brakes, in 1.5 years. So, I assumed that the Ram ( a far more modern truck) would have much better brakes. Was I ever wrong! LOL.

So, yes, in my opinion, Chrysler brakes SUCK, big-time. I had conversations with other contractors who owned new Ford or GMC/Chevy pickups, they had virtually no problems with their brakes.

Forget about the lawsuit, only the lawyers make money (off you!) and it would be stuck in the courts for years.

Take care, gentlemen.

Best Regards, Alex (The Canadian)





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10/13/2002
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I have a 2000 Dakota Sport, the rotors had to be turned at approximately 11,000 miles, this was done at my Dodge dealer, as it was still within the 12,000 warranty. At approximately 20,000 the problem started again, I was told sorry, it's out of Warranty!!! Had to turn rotors again, I have also had the brakes lock up several times. I don't know about a lawsuit, but all Dakota owners need to contact their dealer and especially Dodge so they will realize that many Dakota owners have the same complaint, "lousy brakes"
Large corporations (like Dogdge, GM, Ford)need to realize that owners will not accept inferior products. All the other vehicles I have owned never required the rotors to be turned at such low mileage. Whatever happened to quality craftmanship?



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