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Jim Nolin
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1/24/2001
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Well It's just about the end of the month meaning I had the TSB for the oil fixed by the dealor almost a month now. And so far I have to say no foam. So as of now the fix the dealor made has seemed to stop the foam from coming back.
next update is next time I cange the oil looking for foam again. Have about another 2000 miles to go before I do next change. so I would say mounth in a half if that.



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1/24/2001
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Jim thanks for the up date,I put my parts on yesterday from the dealer.Some time, will you pull out the part in the oil filler tub and see what it looks like at the bottom of the filler.

Bob

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Jim Nolin
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1/25/2001
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Bob, I'll see what I can do about looking at that. But I'll have to wait till it warms up a bit Or I'll freeze my ass off trying to do it. I have a garage I can use but thats not any warmer. I'll see If I can do it the next time I change my oil. Do you know if the tube comes off easy?
Jim



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1/25/2001
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Jim (Don't) take the oil fill tube off.All you need to do is, take the oil fill cap off and in the tube, you will see what looks like a plug with a tab on it... just pull it up."That is there fix"the new ones from the Factory will have the peace that you pull out molded in side the new oil fill tube.You might have the new one from the Factory,but I don't think you will.I hope you understood what I was trying to tell you.

Bob

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1/26/2001
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I was wondering, do you have a 2000? I ask because I have a '01 and I'm having the foaming problem? I looked but there is no TSB for it on the '01..yet. I'm thinking that I'll make a phone call tomorrow.

Steve
Utah
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1/27/2001
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Leftez--I have a 2000...Go to TSB on this board,you will find the part numbers you need.I live 40 miles from my dealer...so they sent the parts to me,I cleaned out the oil fill tube with a rag and put the fix in with the new cap.(Took about 5 min.)They have a new oil filler tube on the 4.7L and 3.7L coming down the line now.In my opinion,all they need to do is put the oil filler back on the valve cover.Fords 4.6L has there's on the valve cover,the two engines look alike.

Bob

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1/27/2001
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My 4.7 is still making the foam after the TSB fix. Hopefully the new fill tube will work when available.




2001 quad 4.7 auto 3.92



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1/28/2001
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Bob I don't see the Plug your talking about. Thats not the fix they did on mine. They put on a totally new cap for the tube. The tube itself is the same one that came on the truck. I noticed htat when they did the fix. The cap was nice and new and clean and the tube still was loaded with salt from the roads. The same way I brought it in. The cap itself has a new seal around it and is no longer has a pocket in it. The cap has a piece in it that makes it look solid. Maybe different dealers fix it different ways??

Lefteez my truck is a 2000



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1/28/2001
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Jim the cap #53032389AC you have is part of the fix. The TSB calls the other part #53032126AA "baffle" .This baffle fits in the oil fill housing.If you do not have that baffle in your oil housing,you don't have all the parts.This baffle will pull out of the oil housing,than you will be able to look in to the bottom of the oil fill housing.Jim there is only one way to do the job right...you must have both parts.

Bob

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1/28/2001
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Jim I called it a plug,but the correct name is Baffle.Let me know if you have that part.

Bob

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1/29/2001
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Bob Found the piece you were talking about. I must be losing it because I didn't even notice the thing. LOL. And after pulling it out I see their fix did a whole lot of nothing. Pull the thing out and theres still all foam in there. I Looks like the piece they put in just tries to hide the fact that theres still foam. I think I may have to call the dealor back and see whats going on. Unless you've talked to them and they told you something about it.
Jim



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1/29/2001
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Jim--I'm thinking the same thing,they are only hiding the problem.I'm going to wait before I look at mine,its only been 2 weeks sense I put mine in.The new ones from the Factory ,have the baffle molded in ,it does not come out.

Bob

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1/29/2001
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FYI, I called my local Dodge guys. Sure enough, they ordered the parts for my '01 4.7L, should be here in 3 days.

My truck has a manufacture date of 8-00 so I'm not sure when they started or will using the new fill tube. I pulled out that baffle and my housing was FILLED with foam! Can't see why as I drive to work and back everyday about 25 miles, can't say it doesn't get warm enough.

Steve
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1/29/2001
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Lefteez,I not sure what you are saying?Did your truck come with the remove able baffle from the Factory?If you all ready have the baffle,what parts are they ordering for you?

Bob

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1/29/2001
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Bob I've had my supposed fix in three weeks and the foams back. From the look of that insert its made to stop the foam from coming up into fiew. There for the customer mainly me no longer sees the foam and I think the problems fixed. I didn't get a chance to call the dealer today going to try tomorrow until then I guess
Jim



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1/30/2001
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Yes they are just covering it up.Thanks Jim.

Bob

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Jim Nolin
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1/30/2001
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Just got off the phone with the dealer. They said someone else came back saying the same thing after the tsb was done. They say its no cause for alarm that the foam has to now work itself out. They said that the problem was the cap was to tight not allowing a moister to get out. They said to give it a few more weeks and see if it clears up. They also said after that it should be fine. we shall see in a few weeks I guess.

Jim



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1/30/2001
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Thanks Jim...I well be keeping a ck on mine.

Bob

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2/05/2001
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Bob,
I'm not sure what parts they're ordering. They just ran the VIN and said that my truck fell under the TSB and they were ordering the parts. They didn't say what parts, just that they would call when they came in. But yes, I can pull out the 'baffle' in the oil fill housing in my truck. I'm not sure, but I'll update when I find out. Parts were supposed to be in 2.1.01, but no word yet.



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2/05/2001
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Lefteez...thanks for the post.Let us know what part they change if any.

Bob

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2/06/2001
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Yet another update...
I got back from the shop just an hour ago. Here's the scoop. Now this is a 2001 4.7, but the 'cheif' said that I had the correct cap but they put in the, I guess, new baffle. Part #53032126AA. About the only difference I can see between my 'old' baffle and the new one is the old one seemed bigger in the sense that it was...oh..longer? It seemed to fill the houseing more than the new one. Not sure what this is supposed to do but guess we'll see. The Dodge guy said that it was due to condensation which we knew and it was more or less a design flaw. Only time will tell.

Steve
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2/06/2001
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Lefteez...I don't get it,the part number you put on the post is the same part number they put in mine.There must have been one before the part number 53032126AA.I will look at mine this week end ,let you all know what I find.

Bob

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2/08/2001
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hi all im new here but not to mopar but i
> do own my first new mopar a 01 dakota 4.7 i had an oil foam with the
> trashy ass oil they put in them from the factory at 350 miles which is
> what they say is break in i changed the oil and put mobile1 15w30 in and
> ran it for 3500 then changed the oil again and used 15w50 mobile 1 and
> no more foam in the filler at all if they run hyperutechnich pistons in
> these engines that can explain alot of the problem (but i dont know if
> they run them or not)
> that type of piston realy reflects alot more heat into the cylnder head
> (than a cast or a forged piston) which can cause the engine to draw a
> considerable amount i mean a considerable amount of moisture into the
> engine than normal
> (i see it in the 70 duster i crew chief on as we run that type of piston
> we have to wipe the snot out of the valve covers every run and it is
> alot)i believe the synthetic oil passes the mostiure out of the engine
> quicker and easier than conventional i pretty sure that this can be part
> or in not all the problem
>

john walters

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2/09/2001
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After talking with my dad he says it something with the heads and spacing or something like that, i don't remember what he said....


Tony
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Bob
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2/13/2001
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Well gentlemen,I have 800 miles on my foam fix,I looked at it today,what a joke,all the baffle did was hid the problem.It looked bad,and I'm very pissed,I called Chrysler and told them that I was not a happy camper.If anyone is having that problem after the fix,Please call 1-800-4adodge and tell them you are not happy with the fix,I told them they should have keep the oil fill on the valve cover.I told them that I only have 3,300 miles on my engine,what is it going to look like when I get 30,000 miles on it.

Bob


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Bill
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2/13/2001
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I second the motion,Bob. Call 1-800- 4 a dodge and complain.


2001 quad slt 4.7L auto.3.92 L slip 1300 miles and still foaming



Bob
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2/14/2001
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Bill are you still having the foam problem.

Bob

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Jim Nolin
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2/14/2001
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Well I called the dealer today to complain about the foam still being there. Figured I would give them another try before I called the dodge number. Truck goes in on monday Guess I'll have to wait till then to see what they say and do.



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2/14/2001
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Jim I called my dealer today and the service department said "that's the way it is"it is ok to have a milk shake in our oil fill tube, they also said DC sent a TSB to all the oil change stores in the states and told them to stop telling people they had a blown head gasket,that it is ok.I talked to a engineer at work [Jeep] and he called Detroit and they said not to care,it is ok that way. I think they are full of shit.

Bob

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Jim Nolin
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2/15/2001
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Bob I have to agree with you that they are full of shit. Yah I'm really sure our engines love sucking in foam instead of oil. But I figure what the hell I'll take it in anyway and see what new line they give me. Its under warenty right mine as well give them headaches like their doing to me.
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2/15/2001
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Since the 4.7 came from the Chrysler Jeep family I stopped by and asked the local Jeep dealer about the milking foam in the oil fill cap and he also said this is happing in the Jeeps and from day one of the engine, he is also a GMC dealer and said other engines from GMC do it too... so only time will tell how it effects the engine at 150,000 miles I hope to keep this Dakota Quad Cab for a long time... I hope this is my last truck purchase.

Duane

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2/16/2001
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Bob,
Yes, mine is still foaming. It only has 1300 miles. I can't believe the foam can do the engine any good. I have been fooling around with engines for close to 30 years, and I have never seen anything like this before in a healthy engine.

2001 quad slt 2WD 4.7L auto 3.92 L-slip



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2/16/2001
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If your truck stays out side in the cold weather,you are going to get the foam or if you drive short distances.I think you will not see it in the summer months.I am not convinced it will not damage the engine after the miles add up.I have checked about five 4.7s at work and ever one is clean,no foam.The grand Cherokee,s all park in side the factory all day,by night they are all in garages at the VIPs homes.People that have the foam must call DC at 1-800-4adodge and tell them you are not very happy with the milk shake in your oil fill tube.

Bob

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2/17/2001
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My 2001 QC had the so called TSB fix on 2/6/01. As I said in my previous post, all they said I needed 'fixed' was the baffle on my truck, and that the cap was the right one. I changed my oil right before the fix and I drive everyday to work about 25 miles and my truck is kept in the garage. Since the fix I have had no foam. So far so good after a few hundred miles.

Steve
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2/17/2001
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Lefteez maybe mine will clear up when I start using synthetic oil.Let me know if It comes back.I can't figure out why they put it on the head,they must have saved some money buy doing that.

Bob

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2/18/2001
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HAD THE REPLACEMENT CAP AND NEW BAFFLE INSTALLED ON FEB. 14th WITH JUST UNDER 6000 MILES ON THE ENGINE . I HAVE USED CASTROL SYNTEC OIL SINCE THE TRUCK WAS NEW. OIL AND FILTER WAS ORIG. CHANGED AT 500 MILES THEN AT 1000.NOW FILTER AND OIL ARE CHANGED AT EACH 3500 MILES. I CLEANED OUT THE FILLER TUBE VERY WELL AFTER THE DEALER MADE "THE FIX "SO NOW ONLY TIME WILL TELL.



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2/18/2001
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Let us know if it helped.

Bob

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2/18/2001
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For it is worth, not knowing anything about the 4.7 engine, the shop manual for the 99 Dakota under oil level states: if oil level is above full mark it is possible for the connecting rods to dip into the oil with the engine running. This condition could create foam in the oil pan, Then goes on to say this oil foam would be fed into the hydraulic tappets causing them to lose length and seat noisily. Page 9-10.

Doug
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2/19/2001
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since i started using mobile 1 synrhetic oil i have yet to see any oil foam in the filler tube
and i have 4500 miles on the 4.7 and if the connecting rods are creating oil splash that is a
defect from the designers on up and the only thing thats going to fix that is a deeper pan

redbone
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2/20/2001
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Had the truck at the dealers for the second time yesterday about the foam. They redid the TSB and also gave me a copy of the notice the dealers are getting. It says that the foam will not harm the engine. The dealer thinks that we will see the foam go away as the weather gets warmer. i tend to think the same since I have a lot of miles on mine already and I didn't see this problem until the weater got cold. All I know is I'm holding on to that paper they gave me incase something does happen so that they are doing a new engine (worst case) or fixing any problems if the foam is the cause of any problems.

At this point we can all sit back and say we are stuck with it and theres nothing we can do about it.

Redbone
Just some info using mobil1 doesn't make a difference. I've been using it since my first oil change and I now have over 17k miles, and I get the foam.



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2/20/2001
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Jim as I said in my past post,I think I will not see it in the summer.Time will tell.Thanks Jim.

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2/20/2001
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*smiles quetly to himself, trying not to say "Should have gotten the bigger engine"*

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2/21/2001
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howdy jim i dont know what to say i had the oil foam with the cheap shity oil they put in from the factory but once i started using mobile 1 it quit im in california and its been colder than a well diggers ass and raining alot so other than the posability than the piston type causing it or not a deep enough oil pan im clueless

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2/23/2001
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howdy all just visited my local 5 star and guess what my service rep told me that they have a tsb for oil filters on all 4.7's and that they say not to run a fram filter as they have been splitting from not relieving oil pressure he said they replaced a few engines in the dakotas for this reason and i said holy shit so thats all i know about that

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2/23/2001
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well the foam is back sorry all but it did go away when i started using mobil1 i started seeing signs of it today they told me at the dealership that the have no tsb on oil foam and to bring it in and they will look at it and they told me that if you change your own oil keep the proof cause there going to stop fixing oil realted problems if you dont bring it in for them to change the oil he said it was going to be that way nationwide

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2/24/2001
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Redbone do you know that TSB # for the oil filter. MY 5 star dealer has a hard time finding TSB for the Dakota.. It helps if I do there homework and provide them with the #...

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2/25/2001
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no i dont he said it as only for the 4.7 dakotas 200 up


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2/25/2001
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Hey DCS...THE DEALER IS FULL OF SHIT...don't let the the dealer jerk you.There is a TSB on the oil foaming,about them changing your oil,you can change your own oil,they are giving you the run a round.Please call 1-800-4-a-dodge...tell them you have a complaint...tell them what your dealer said,ever one with the problem must call them and tell them of the Milk shake in your oil fill tube.[Only the strong serve]

Bob

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2/25/2001
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Never had this problem in my 4.7. Ive run Penzoil synthetic and i currently use Amsoil series 2000 0W-30 and havent seen it with this either. I also use a bigger filter than the stock one.





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Never had this problem in my 4.7. Ive run Penzoil synthetic and i currently use Amsoil series 2000 0W-30 and havent seen it with this either. I also use a bigger filter than the stock one.





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2/25/2001
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hey bob i agree and i did call them and pitched a bitch and they are looking into it but i am going to give them there chance to fix the problem then if i have to ill lemon law the s. o. b. and buy a 5.9 dak

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2/25/2001
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Redbone thanks for calling DC,let us know what you do.

Bob

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2/25/2001
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Good luck with the lemon law I know a few people who have tried going to that in Rhode Island and nothing was done. Basicly they told him to take a hike they wouldn't do anything.

Jim Nolin



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2/26/2001
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ill let you all know what happens i told them i dident spen 20grand for a oil foaming rolling shit pile/ hey have you all herd of any one having cluthch problems with the 4.7 sticks if so let me know please ive herd of them going out around 8k

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2/27/2001
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hey all went to the dealer today and dropped of the dak the checked the part # against the tsb and the latest and greatest parts are instaled for the oil foam problem and the borascoped the engine(looked in it with a fiber optic scope)and said that the foam or milkshake as some call it was only found in the filler neck and that is the only place the have found it it any engine so far i dont know if there bull shitting or not but he said mopar was working on a new fix for the problem and that they have contacted him on this problem ( i believe this due to i raised so much hell at diamler over this and at 1 800 for adodge that they did call him while i was on the phone )so just raise a lot of hell and we will prevail on this / my serviv\ce rep said that they told him the faom is due to the location if the fill point and the materials it was made of and if they put it on the valve cover with the material that the used on the exesting filler neck it would still do the same things because of rapid cooling because of the alluminum heads and the temp differnce between the fill point so in laymans terms its a design flaw so raise hell and we will get a good fix soon.

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john walters

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2/28/2001
00:40:03

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My 2 cents...still been cold here and after that last oil change, a very, very, very small amount of foam right around the edges of the 'baffle' when I pulled it out on the underside. No milk shake in the housing at all. I was in a hurry last time I changed my oil and went to a express lube place. I know that there is Penzoil 5W-30 in there, only because that's what the manual says is 'prefered' and I'm in that temeperature range. I'm not sure of the filter however. So far I'm pretty happy with the TSB fix for my truck. Good Luck all.

Steve
Aught1, Bright White 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L



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2/28/2001
14:07:40

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Keep yelling Redbone I'm with you I know the service Manager by frist name and his assitance runs when I come back there to ask about new TSB for this darn 4.7.....

I will remind the manufacture I have a case number on this started at day one with only 500 miles when I did a oil change to put in my brand.
Still looking for some info about the Oil Filter TSB and what do you think about a oversize filter?


DCS 2000 Quad Cab 4.7



Bob
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2/28/2001
16:39:29

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Redbone thanks for spanking DC [good job].I have seen there new fix...the new Liberty 3.7L engines oil fill tube has the baffle molded into the oil fill tube,pretty smart of them,know one will be able to see the milk shake,smart hey.I think ever one must get it in writing,that it is ok to have a milk shake in there oil fill tube.They need to put there money where there mouth is! I want to know what the inside of the engine will look like in say sixty thousand miles.THE ONLY FIX IS FOR THEM TO PUT THE OIL FILL BACK ON THE VALE COVER.

Ever one keep on them.
Thanks Bob

00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9

Bob
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2/28/2001
16:42:11

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Hey duane-what is the weather like where you live?

Bob

00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9

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2/28/2001
18:24:56

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I have 230 miles on my brand new dak..and wouldnt you know it? Milkshake..what is this crap??

Steve

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2/28/2001
20:58:45

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I live in Northwest Arkansas it cold here at night but fair durning the day 30's at night 50's days... I got 2800 miles time for the second oil change I'm thinking about letting the dealer do it so they will have a record of it...

DCS 2000 Quad Cab.....with a 4.7 ???

DCS

redbone
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3/01/2001
00:11:39

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howdy bob the location of the filler realy aint the problem its the what it is made of that dam composit shit if they made it out of iron or alluminum it would be ok.that dam composit dosent get as hot as the block and the temp difference is what between the two is what is causing the problem if they put a composite valve covers on the heads you would still get mostiure in the filler so if they want to get rid of the shit in the filler they need to make out of metal instrad of a composite

redbone

01 dak 4.7 3.55 sg stik

john walters

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